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When you can get a complete winch including synth rope, wireless remotes and what not for only £450 I'd call it a cheap winch, no matter where it is made.
And I'm pretty sure that rope is no where near the quality of a Dyneema made rope. I've seen too many cheap chinese ropes fail and break under load.
But sure, for occasional green-laning and pay and play I'm sure it's fine.
Dyl wrote: Ok, as a newbie to off roading and what I really want to enjoy is green laning, how often do you actually use your winch?
I know this is a 'how long is a piece of string' question, but for green laning, does it get used that often that you need top end?
Now I'm all for buying quality products, I do it with everything in life, but if I can buy a good quality winch that will pull me out of trouble on the odd occasion and do it well then I'm happy. But if you tell me from experience I need high end products then I will consider it.
I posted the following link because I thought it was a great price, it seemed to get decent reviews and I didn't think in reality it would get used that often.
And another question, do I then need a different battery?
For greenlaning, any cheap winch will probably do. At least for some time. I like Goodwinch winches because they're fairly cheap, are super winches and with great service from Goodwinch/ David Bowyer.
As I've written before. I don't like these cheap synthetic ropes. You don't know what they're made of and how long they'll last. Too many times I've seen good looking cheap ropes break.
TDS winches comes standard with good quality wire rope which is must preferable to chinese synth rope if you ask me.
TomDK wrote: TDS winches comes standard with good quality wire rope which is must preferable to chinese synth rope if you ask me.
TDS is a great winch ...............any wire rope is potentially lethal............ I'd still rather stand near to a cheap chinese rope than any wire rope no matter the price
Dyl -the superwinch is a great winch and that's still a cracking deal it will be more than enough for green laning -I'd snap it up!!
it might be worth replacing the standard battery with a higher capacity one but for how often you'd use it when green laning it isn't worth getting a second battery
I used to tow hang gliders with wire rope, peoples lives in my hands, literally, 120 times a day.
We tried every type of synthetic replacement for wire rope, tested them to death, almost literally on occasions, and I can honestly say that the only possible alternative to good quality stainless steel rope is 100% dynema cable. It has very little stretch and when it breaks it has little recoil. You will not get Dynema rope on a £ 500 winch.
Steel cable if properly inspected and swage spliced by someone competent if there is any damage is far stronger and more durable than any alternative.
If you are using your winch once in a blue moon for recovery when laning then steel will do you fine. Just get it properly checked once a year, wear gloves when using the winch and if you find even 1 broken strand get it repaired.
The cable which came with my winch is good for 22000lbs, (rated to 11000lbs, 100% safety margin). The winch is capable of 9500lbs pull and the Jim weighs in at under 4000lbs. What do you reckon the chance of me breaking the cable are?
Also, synthetic doesn't just "drop to the ground" if it breaks, no matter what people say. It has stretch just like steel so also has recoil when it lets go. The longer the run the geater the recoil. I have seen people hospitalised by 3mm dynema breaking - serious deep cuts to hands and faces, so synthetic isnt the super safe option some believe. Keep winch cables short to minimise stretch and you will possibly save damage or injury.
Synthetics are also much more prone to damage form abrasive soil (dirt) so if you use your synthetic winch rope, make sure you pull out more than you used and wash the sand / grit out of it asap to prevent damage. Steel has a higher value on the Mohs hardness scale than sand so will not be damaged by grit.
Having said all that, if you dont look after steel and it does break you are in the lap of the gods as to what damage it does.
Nothing is perfect, buy what suits your use and budget, but whatever you buy, look after it!
Leathery1 wrote: I used to tow hang gliders with wire rope, peoples lives in my hands, literally, 120 times a day.
We tried every type of synthetic replacement for wire rope, tested them to death, almost literally on occasions, and I can honestly say that the only possible alternative to good quality stainless steel rope is 100% dynema cable. It has very little stretch and when it breaks it has little recoil. You will not get Dynema rope on a £ 500 winch.
Steel cable if properly inspected and swage spliced by someone competent if there is any damage is far stronger and more durable than any alternative.
If you are using your winch once in a blue moon for recovery when laning then steel will do you fine. Just get it properly checked once a year, wear gloves when using the winch and if you find even 1 broken strand get it repaired.
The cable which came with my winch is good for 22000lbs, (rated to 11000lbs, 100% safety margin). The winch is capable of 9500lbs pull and the Jim weighs in at under 4000lbs. What do you reckon the chance of me breaking the cable are?
Also, synthetic doesn't just "drop to the ground" if it breaks, no matter what people say. It has stretch just like steel so also has recoil when it lets go. The longer the run the geater the recoil. I have seen people hospitalised by 3mm dynema breaking - serious deep cuts to hands and faces, so synthetic isnt the super safe option some believe. Keep winch cables short to minimise stretch and you will possibly save damage or injury.
Synthetics are also much more prone to damage form abrasive soil (dirt) so if you use your synthetic winch rope, make sure you pull out more than you used and wash the sand / grit out of it asap to prevent damage. Steel has a higher value on the Mohs hardness scale than sand so will not be damaged by grit.
Having said all that, if you dont look after steel and it does break you are in the lap of the gods as to what damage it does.
Nothing is perfect, buy what suits your use and budget, but whatever you buy, look after it!
+1
Couldn't have said it better myself
Synthetic rope requires cleaning often and also a well maintained roller fairlead to last.
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