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Trailmaster vs. Black Raptor

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18 May 2020 14:26 #222481 by Lasse
Now that the debate rages on the suspension and lift topic then let’s see what people recommend and maybe why...
Trailmaster 50mm lift or Black raptor premium 50mm lift?

Or perhaps a third brand!

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18 May 2020 14:54 #222482 by sniper
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Jimny Doctor has just fitted a +50mm Black Raptor kit and was very complimentary about it..... said it was better than the X-shock Dakar kit that he had previously fitted.

Trailmaster is reviewed well and recognised as a quality kit.

AVO adjustable dampers +50mm and Eibach prolift +30mm springs with 15mm seats on my car and very happy.

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18 May 2020 15:16 #222483 by Lasse
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Nice Sniper

Ups forgot to add that it for the Gen 4 ! Hehe

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18 May 2020 16:35 #222485 by 300bhpton
I have no personal experience of either. However it is clear from the specs that the Trailmaster offers more front end flex/suspension travel. As it includes items to drop the front crossmember, where the Trailmaster does not. It instead uses shorter front shocks and long bump stops to restrict travel.

Personally I will be getting the Black Raptor kit, just waiting for things to return to normal a bit more first however.

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18 May 2020 17:48 #222494 by Lambert
I have standard height trailmaster dampers on Dreadnaught and they're immense. So so good well worth the hundred quid a corner.

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18 May 2020 18:22 #222497 by Soeley
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If you are dead set on a 50mm lift, then this will be no good for you. I have just had the Old Man Emu (OME) 40mm lift kit delivered last week. Not fitted it yet, but I know two people that give it excellent reviews on there Gen4's. It doesn't come with a front cross-member kit as it's probably not needed for 40mm, but it does come with a rear panhard bracket to realign that.

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18 May 2020 19:30 #222502 by Busta
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My 2 pence worth...
Trailmaster are a well established and well respected company that have been making their own products to a very high standard for a number of years. They are fully type approved. I've never heard a bad word about them.
Black Raptor first came to my attention a few years ago with some badly aligned stickers stuck on some generic shocks. They don't have a website. Their name is very similar to an existing 4x4 parts brand, but they aren't associated in any way. Very little information is available about their products or the brand.

Which will perform better? I have no idea, but I know where I'd rather spend my money.

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18 May 2020 19:42 #222503 by Lasse
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Well i see Your point.!

But am i right that when you see the Jimny From a side view it look like the front is sits lower than back when fitted with the Trailmaster 50mm kit..

Must say I’m going for the slight raised look rather the ultimate flex..!

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18 May 2020 20:06 #222506 by 300bhpton

Busta wrote: My 2 pence worth...
Trailmaster are a well established and well respected company that have been making their own products to a very high standard for a number of years. They are fully type approved. I've never heard a bad word about them.
Black Raptor first came to my attention a few years ago with some badly aligned stickers stuck on some generic shocks. They don't have a website. Their name is very similar to an existing 4x4 parts brand, but they aren't associated in any way. Very little information is available about their products or the brand.

Which will perform better? I have no idea, but I know where I'd rather spend my money.

I believe Black Raptor is Jimnybits kit. At least that is what they told me. They shocks they spec from a shock maker and kit is built to their design/spec.

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18 May 2020 20:11 #222508 by mlines
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If you saw the Trailmaster "before" video you will have seen

82cm rear arch to ground
79cm front arch to ground
98cm door handle base to ground (probably 97.5cm after reviewing the video again)

After lift (which has not been published yet)

87cm rear arch to ground = +50mm
83.5cm front arch to ground = +45mm
102cm door handle base to ground = +45mm (as corrected above).

If the wheel arch measurements are correct and the front and rear wheel arches are lined up, then it is 3cm lower at the front in its unmodified version anyway

Martin

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3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses

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18 May 2020 20:19 #222509 by X8GGY
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Busta wrote: My 2 pence worth...
Trailmaster are a well established and well respected company that have been making their own products to a very high standard for a number of years. They are fully type approved. I've never heard a bad word about them.
Black Raptor first came to my attention a few years ago with some badly aligned stickers stuck on some generic shocks. They don't have a website. Their name is very similar to an existing 4x4 parts brand, but they aren't associated in any way. Very little information is available about their products or the brand.

Which will perform better? I have no idea, but I know where I'd rather spend my money.


"Black Raptor" Is indeed a JimnyBits brand... RLP (Russell Lee Palmer) Engineering / 4x4 Outlet... all one and the same...

Is that buggy finished yet?...

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18 May 2020 20:32 #222511 by Lasse
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Maybe it’s just some bad angles or whatever but those two looks a lot lower in the front..! Sorry for the bad pics it’s screenshots from YouTube..!
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