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Bearing retainer creep
19 May 2019 05:25 #208302
by mlines
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Re:Bearing retainer creep
I asked around and got a reply that something like this is needed during assembly:
www.bearing-king.co.uk/bearing/loctite-6...YTcJldQaAsZbEALw_wcB
Loctite seem to do 2 or 3 variants so I have dropped a query in to their support about product selection.
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www.bearing-king.co.uk/bearing/loctite-6...YTcJldQaAsZbEALw_wcB
Loctite seem to do 2 or 3 variants so I have dropped a query in to their support about product selection.
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Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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19 May 2019 05:33 #208304
by Lambert
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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Replied by Lambert on topic Re:Bearing retainer creep
That should help certainly. My only concern would be if there is enough force being applied in service to dislodge a compression fit retainer, that is a similar force as required for disassembly? At that money though it has to be worth a try.
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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19 May 2019 05:51 #208305
by Riccy
J999 MNY, ULYSSES M18 VVT with ITB's Dyno tested at 130hp
Pickup/tipper, R7me gearbox & 6.4 Rocklobster, 31" Toyo MT, 2x ARB air locker 3.9 diffs in braced axles, 6" total lift, Floating rear conversion, Raptor painted, CB, Recaro's, Caged, etc, etc...
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Replied by Riccy on topic Re:Bearing retainer creep
I have exactly the same issue with J999MNY.
After our Nortumberland outing I noticed oil on the wheel so assumed it was the bearing failing.
Pulled that shaft (driver side) and found what your video shows. The bearing seems ok but has excess side movement. There was a small gap between the bearing and the abs collar. Memory serves from the garage pressing those bearings on saying that they were unable to get it down any further.
At the time i put a new oil seal in (thinking that was the problem) and left it at that.
Fast forward to last weekends mammoth outing around the lakes and oldham and I now have the same oil leak on the same wheel again. This time I will be heating the retainer up to get it on a bit further and see. I dont think mine is rotating, slipping or moving, just never been on far enough in the first place.
After our Nortumberland outing I noticed oil on the wheel so assumed it was the bearing failing.
Pulled that shaft (driver side) and found what your video shows. The bearing seems ok but has excess side movement. There was a small gap between the bearing and the abs collar. Memory serves from the garage pressing those bearings on saying that they were unable to get it down any further.
At the time i put a new oil seal in (thinking that was the problem) and left it at that.
Fast forward to last weekends mammoth outing around the lakes and oldham and I now have the same oil leak on the same wheel again. This time I will be heating the retainer up to get it on a bit further and see. I dont think mine is rotating, slipping or moving, just never been on far enough in the first place.
J999 MNY, ULYSSES M18 VVT with ITB's Dyno tested at 130hp
Pickup/tipper, R7me gearbox & 6.4 Rocklobster, 31" Toyo MT, 2x ARB air locker 3.9 diffs in braced axles, 6" total lift, Floating rear conversion, Raptor painted, CB, Recaro's, Caged, etc, etc...
www.youtube.com/user/riclemus
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19 May 2019 07:18 #208309
by mlines
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Bearing retainer creep
I pressed mine on fully originally, I am confident of that.
Will explore the "glue" route
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Will explore the "glue" route
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Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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19 May 2019 11:53 - 19 May 2019 12:03 #208348
by facade
Loctite 648 is the one you want, it works with press/interference fitted assemblies.
It shouldn't be able to, as you'd expect it to wipe off, but if you look at the shaft, there are fine lines caused by fitting the bearing & retainer, so there actually isn't 100% surface contact, and there is a microspace for the loctite to fill up and bond.
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there
Replied by facade on topic Re:Bearing retainer creep
mlines wrote: I asked around and got a reply that something like this is needed during assembly:
www.bearing-king.co.uk/bearing/loctite-6...YTcJldQaAsZbEALw_wcB
Loctite seem to do 2 or 3 variants so I have dropped a query in to their support about product selection.
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Loctite 648 is the one you want, it works with press/interference fitted assemblies.
It shouldn't be able to, as you'd expect it to wipe off, but if you look at the shaft, there are fine lines caused by fitting the bearing & retainer, so there actually isn't 100% surface contact, and there is a microspace for the loctite to fill up and bond.
If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there

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19 May 2019 13:43 #208360
by wombat
Replied by wombat on topic Bearing retainer creep
Many years ago when i built rally cars for a living, on the ford escorts we pressed the bearing retainer onto the shaft and then added a small weld to stop the retainer possibly creeping. Made it harder to next change the bearings but was considered worth it to prevent the halfshaft pulling out under extreme cornering loads
just a thought
just a thought


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