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Allgrip spinng wheel method of 2019 Jimny..
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30 Nov 2018 16:54 #198446
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I am confused.
According to the globalsuzuki.com Jimny site the allgrip overview states:-
Traction Control
If two wheels diagonal from each other lose grip while you’re travelling over slippery surfaces, this feature is designed to automatically brake the slipping wheels and redistribute torque to the other two wheels, allowing the Jimny to make its escape.
That seems to indicate that you need to have two diagonal wheels spinning for the selective braking on both spinning wheels to occur.
That does not seem to resolve the one weakness of the third generation Jimny's. If both wheels on the same side were spinning you were going nowhere without a winch or a tow.
Is my interpretation correct?
It seems a little silly to brake a wheel on the other axle.
Should it not work like this?
One wheel spins then brake that wheel to transfer the torque to the other wheel in the same axle.
If while the first braking is active, another wheel is spinning on the other axle then you should be braking the new spinning wheel to transfer the torque to the other wheel on the same axle.
Do I need to buy a locker ready for the snow?
According to the globalsuzuki.com Jimny site the allgrip overview states:-
Traction Control
If two wheels diagonal from each other lose grip while you’re travelling over slippery surfaces, this feature is designed to automatically brake the slipping wheels and redistribute torque to the other two wheels, allowing the Jimny to make its escape.
That seems to indicate that you need to have two diagonal wheels spinning for the selective braking on both spinning wheels to occur.
That does not seem to resolve the one weakness of the third generation Jimny's. If both wheels on the same side were spinning you were going nowhere without a winch or a tow.
Is my interpretation correct?
It seems a little silly to brake a wheel on the other axle.
Should it not work like this?
One wheel spins then brake that wheel to transfer the torque to the other wheel in the same axle.
If while the first braking is active, another wheel is spinning on the other axle then you should be braking the new spinning wheel to transfer the torque to the other wheel on the same axle.
Do I need to buy a locker ready for the snow?
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30 Nov 2018 17:10 #198448
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Replied by JustCallMeRick on topic Allgrip spinng wheel method od 2019 Jimny..
If im correct it also has a rear lsd.
So the rear axle should always some power going to the wheel with the most grip.
So the rear axle should always some power going to the wheel with the most grip.
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30 Nov 2018 19:14 #198453
by Riccy
J999 MNY, ULYSSES M18 VVT with ITB's Dyno tested at 130hp
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I think the LSD is an option rather than a standard feature possibly?
The videos Ive seen all seem to show it being able to brake any spinning wheel and keep going, much as any similar traction control system on modern rangerovers and landcruisers. I would expect not to 'need' a locker unless you are planning on huge wheels and lots of mods, it doesnt look like they struggle with anything as long as it fits under the bumper basically :laugh:
The videos Ive seen all seem to show it being able to brake any spinning wheel and keep going, much as any similar traction control system on modern rangerovers and landcruisers. I would expect not to 'need' a locker unless you are planning on huge wheels and lots of mods, it doesnt look like they struggle with anything as long as it fits under the bumper basically :laugh:
J999 MNY, ULYSSES M18 VVT with ITB's Dyno tested at 130hp
Pickup/tipper, R7me gearbox & 6.4 Rocklobster, 31" Toyo MT, 2x ARB air locker 3.9 diffs in braced axles, 6" total lift, Floating rear conversion, Raptor painted, CB, Recaro's, Caged, etc, etc...
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01 Dec 2018 12:47 #198471
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Replied by Gadget on topic Allgrip spinng wheel method od 2019 Jimny..
It doesn't come with a LSD, although there's one shown in the accessories catalogue.
I believe you're correct, if one wheel on an axle has zero traction, it will be braked to send torque to the wheel with traction. I think the statement on the global site is just poorly worded and is trying to highlight a worst-case scenario, where you've been double-cross-axled and it will torque shift at both front and rear.
Obviously the ability to do this on the front axle is dependent on the car being in 4H or 4L!
I believe you're correct, if one wheel on an axle has zero traction, it will be braked to send torque to the wheel with traction. I think the statement on the global site is just poorly worded and is trying to highlight a worst-case scenario, where you've been double-cross-axled and it will torque shift at both front and rear.
Obviously the ability to do this on the front axle is dependent on the car being in 4H or 4L!
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01 Dec 2018 12:52 #198472
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Hi Riccy.
It may be just a poor translation from the Japanese.
Last winter I was driving on packed snow in my 3rd generation Jimny when I had to pull over and stop putting two left hand wheels on the fresh snow.
This was to allow a car to pass.
The slight difference in the left right friction was enough to allow both right hand wheels to spin and I was going nowhere.
I hope that the traction control will prove to work the way I have detailed when the new Jimmy's which are rusting quietly away on Grimsby's dock are finally sent to dealers. Two months a few yards from the salt laden North Sea will do them a power of good.
It may be just a poor translation from the Japanese.
Last winter I was driving on packed snow in my 3rd generation Jimny when I had to pull over and stop putting two left hand wheels on the fresh snow.
This was to allow a car to pass.
The slight difference in the left right friction was enough to allow both right hand wheels to spin and I was going nowhere.
I hope that the traction control will prove to work the way I have detailed when the new Jimmy's which are rusting quietly away on Grimsby's dock are finally sent to dealers. Two months a few yards from the salt laden North Sea will do them a power of good.
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01 Dec 2018 13:11 #198473
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Hi Gadget.
Thanks for the sanity check.
I hope that it will brake the spinning wheel even if there is only one wheel spinning.
If two wheels are spinning brake both spinners.
Thanks for the sanity check.
I hope that it will brake the spinning wheel even if there is only one wheel spinning.
If two wheels are spinning brake both spinners.
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