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Tyre Sizes - Rough Guide Thread

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09 Mar 2016 15:59 #163549 by Busta
I have a matching spare without a cover on it. That means I'm rich! :woohoo:

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09 Mar 2016 19:40 #163554 by Venter
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Bosanek wrote: I researched a lot about larger tyre sizes on a Jimny. I read british, australian, south african and even german forums.

I discovered (and verified in practice) that the best "sensible" upgrade is to 205 / 75 / R15 size, just like many on those forums have recommended.

You essentially get approx 10 mm of extra ground clearance, more macho looking tyres, and stronger tyres when it comes to hitting potholes (less chance of tyres developing wobbles).
Gearing does change, but the general consensus is that it is hardly noticeable, if at all. The same goes for fuel consumption. I can attest to that from my own experience.

In theory, there should not be rubbing issues at all. However, in practice, you can expect some rubbing issues with the 2nd gen front bumper (2006-2012) and with front mudflaps, if you have those. However, they are easy to sort out (read more below).

According to south african forums, Suzuki's dealerships over there officially allow up to 3% of change in wheel diameter. Size 205 / 75 / R15 is 3,1% larger than 205 / 70 / R15, so it is officially supported over there (according to forum claims over there).

If you go any larger, like 195 / 80 or 215 / 75, you start an endeavor into a "murky" zone - you will probably get tyres scrubbing onto the wheel arches, front mudflaps or especially front bumper if you have a 2nd gen (2006-2012) bumper, and also the overall gearing changes so much that it noticeably affects car's road manners (acceleration performance, speedometer and tachometer accuracy, uphill pulling power and downhill braking power etc.). The fuel consumption is also affected.

If you go to the extreme, like 215 / 80 or 235 / 75, then you are entering a red light district without a cheap way out - you have to lift the car up, trim the wheel arches, install wheel spacers, change the transfer box, raise a new loan at the bank ....
Not to mention the additional wear and tear on the transmission, drivetrain, suspension, steering, and wheel hub assemblies. Also, get ready to visit the gas stations more often than you anticipated.




I personally upgraded from Goodyear Wrangler AT/SA+ from stock size of 205 / 70 / R15 to the same tyres in size 205 / 75 / R15. I have already ridden about 4 000 km on new tyres, on all kinds of terrain, from highways to mud bogs. It's a great psychological advantage knowing that you have 10 mm larger ...... ground clearance.

Before I installed new tyres, I measured and determined that my new tyres would probably catch on the main screw on my factory mudflaps, so I preventively disassembled the mudflaps, shortened the plastic spacer behind the mud flaps by approx 10 mm and then reinstalled everything.

As my 2nd gen front bumper had sagged slightly, I determined that the new tyres would probably catch on the bottom of the front bumper. So I trimmed about 15 mm from the bottom of the bumper with a grinder. The change is unnoticeable and invisible, and does not "hurt" at all.
Both trimmings took me about 10 minutes total time to do, and I am not a savvy mechanic.

New tyres fitted superbly, and it turned out that my trims to the bumper and mudflaps were justified.


I'd have to respectfully disagree with 205/75's being the sweet spot. From my experience (I use the Jimny 50% on-road, 30% on forestry roads, and 20% on rough tracks such as quad-bike trails, etc) I get on perfectly with 215/75's. Gearing is minimally affected, top end speed is still much the same. Greater than 65ish in a Jimny on any tyres is probably not a great idea anyway.

While having said that 215/75s are good, I'd say that if gearing is still a concern, then 195/80's could also be considered. Smaller than this is no good, as lack of ground clearance can be said to outweigh any advantages of the smaller tyres i.t.o. gearing (which is probably the only advantage of smaller tyres anywaym, unless someone else can think of anything).

Obviously, the user's individual demands do make the above statements relative, but I'd say that my comments would apply to any Jimny owner who uses their vehicle for terrain beyond gravel roads.

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09 Mar 2016 21:14 #163559 by Busta
I agree with everything you say Venter. Except the 65mph bit. I've never struggled with 70mph+ speeds in the Jimny, even on mud tyres.
215/75 R15 work perfectly for me with no modifications other than removing the front mudflaps.

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10 Mar 2016 14:43 #163573 by Bosanek
Well everyone has a right to an opinion, and I respect the others'.

I had thoroughly considered going for the 215 / 75 / R15 size, and weighted a lot for and against it.

In the end, I decided that it is not worth it.
On the positive side, I would get only approx 7 mm extra ground clearance compared to 205 / 75 / R15.
On the negative side my gearing difference could become noticeable (in my country you have to overtake relatively often) and I already consider 4WD-L 1st gear to be too high, I would have to remove my front mudflaps, probably do some more trimming of the front bumper, and possibly have higher fuel consumption because of wider tyres (I travel a lot each year).

As I definitely need my front mudflaps a lot, and because of the other mentioned negatives, I concluded that the 205 / 75 / R15 size it the optimal sensible upgrade.
That is my opinion and my contribution to this sticky topic.


P.S.:
In my country you are relatively rich if you have any new brand-name (non-remould) tyres on a car, not to mention dissipating your money on a flashy spare one!

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10 Mar 2016 21:32 #163598 by Venter
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Busta wrote: I agree with everything you say Venter. Except the 65mph bit. I've never struggled with 70mph+ speeds in the Jimny, even on mud tyres.
215/75 R15 work perfectly for me with no modifications other than removing the front mudflaps.


Got mine up to 70mph just a couple days ago, but the car wasn't liking it. I think my front shocks are gone, so that might have a lot to do with it.

Bosanek, this all comes back to it being relative, depending on the driver's needs / vehicle usage. As mine spends a significant part of its life as an off-road work vehicle, less than 215/75 is just not practical. I still don't feel that my on-road performance & handling, or the gear-ratios while in low-range, are noticeably affected. I drove the car for a couple years with 205/70's on, so I have a reference point to compare. How much off-roading does your vehicle do?

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