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Additional lights, LED Cree bars etc

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26 May 2016 20:45 #167541 by furo

No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationReplied by furo on topic Additional lights, LED Cree bars etc

mark98 wrote: I was having a look around, and found this: "if we class spot lamps as 'additional main beam lights' then according to the Statutory Instrument 1989 No. 1796, The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 that are linked to above, there are no regulation requirements relating to longitudinal position, vertical position, distance between pair, angle or even any maximum wattage."
Basically, the "spotlights on the roof are illegal for road use" seems to be a bit of an urban myth as far as I can tell...And anyway, there are 4x4's a plenty with roof spots wired to the main beam, so I can't see it being illegal.

Fair enough! I'd heard it from quite a few people, but I've never seen anything official about it so might just be a myth.

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26 May 2016 21:13 - 26 May 2016 22:41 #167545 by furo

No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationReplied by furo on topic Additional lights, LED Cree bars etc

I found this posted on another forum, seems to explain where the front axle thing came from. A legal precedent rather than a fixed law. Also mentions that there is a maximum height (but does not specify it). I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I've posted it so the information is out there. I have no idea what the truth is, all seems very confusing!

"There are restrictions on all lights placement on vehicles, some are Construction and Use Regulations, some are European Regulations, and some have come about because of the conflicts between the two sets of regulations, harmonisation of the two, and the numerous grey areas which have been subject to legal precedents.
There are two defined types of white lighting:

Driving lights - which are defined as forward facing FIXED lighting whose main purpose is illuminating the road for driving purposes.

Work lights - which are solidly mounted to a vehicle, but can face in any direction and can be moved or swiveled around, and are used when the vehicle is stationary, and not for illuminating the road while driving.
Basically work lights can be fixed anywhere as long as they comply with considerable other regulation such as harming pedestrians while a vehicle is moving, or may injure others in the event of an accident. They must be capable of being switched on and off locally or centrally, and must be fitted with a seperate isolation switch in conjunction with any other switch for individual lights, basically they must all have individual switches, and a seperate isolator switch.

Driving lights have maximum and minimum centres, they cannot be too wide or too closely mounted together.
Driving lights have maximum and minimum mounting heights, they can neither be too low or too high, this means all roof mounted driving lights on 4X4's are illegal for use on any public highway and any green lane as they are not compliant with the regulations. They can be used on private ground or private off road venues as these are not public rights of way, and there are certain exemptions for emergency or airport vehicles, specified recovery vehicles, and specialised lighting vehicles for film use.
All driving lights must be fitted in pairs, they must be correctly wired with the correctly rated equipment such as wiring, relays, switches, etc, which must be rated for the maximum carried voltage and current. They must only be capable of being illuminated when the vehicles main headlights are on full beam, and not main beam or sidelights, and must extinguish if the main vehicle headlights are dropped from full beam to main beam or sidelights.
Each pair of driving lights must have a visible indicator (warning light) visible from the drivers seat to show when any auxillary lighting is illuminated.
All driving lights (and any other light) used on road must be "E" marked, and Police forces are more aware of this legislation and are checking lighting more and more as it is an easy ticket for them.

Any light/s fitted to a vehicle must be fully operable, i.e. they must work, and are an MOT testable item, although most MOT testers do not bother.

As for the contraversy about fitting lights behind the front axle, this is not myth but came about by conflicts in considerable other legislation, many American/Canadian trucks have forward facing driving lights mounted on the rear of their cabs, this is usually for certain driving conditions found in these countries. Anyone watching programmes such as Ice Road truckers will clearly see these lights, their visibility conditions, and their need to light the side of the road adjacent to the side of the cab. These are legal in European markets as they are covered as personal import requlations, and several other regulations, but cannot be used on European roads.

This created a legal situation for American trucks, or America manufactured trucks, and some Indian manufactured trucks imported to Europe as non-personal imports, and was subject to a legal case in European courts which set a legal precedent.
It was deemed that all driving or fixed road illuminated lighting shall be accepted as forward mounted, and should be mounted as far forwards as possible to comply with any other regulations concerned with vehicle design, and an accepted reference point shall be that of the centreline of the front axle on a single front axled vehicle, or the forward axle of a twin front axled vehicle.
This is not actually written in statute, but with a legal precedent being set, all manufacturers followed the precedent and set driving lighting forward of the front axle."

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27 May 2016 08:12 #167566 by Tom1357

No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationReplied by Tom1357 on topic Additional lights, LED Cree bars etc

I have no interest in the legalities, they're just too complicated. I'll only have them on when no one else is around or off road anyway.

Just went down a by way recently at night and more lighting the better to help me avoid sheep and big holes! :laugh:

I can't see the lights being legal to be used on the road as they won't have the correct beam pattern to avoid blinding other road users.

Thanks for the input and pics though, definitely some food for thought

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