Cheap mud tyre recommendation.

I might add to this that my nexen MT was awful and dangerous but my BFG Muds are quite good.

Also remember that 4x4 cars should have more slippy tires than road cars so they slide instead of toppling over.

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Tosh. Ermintrude is on the suv equivalent of super sticky racing slicks and doesn't even begin to fall over cornering at anything like legal speeds.

Well it might be that very good quality MT tyres (like BFGoodrich or similar) might be solid on wet and snowy roads (of course never on par with a proper on road tyre).

However I have been a passenger a few times in all-terrain vehicles with MT tyres (usually powerful Land Cruisers, Cherokees, etc.) and they skidded around like on skis when on wet and on packed snow.

Maybe it's a combination of their massive power and heavy feet of their drivers. But whatever it is I got a sure impression that MT tyres don't fare well when the situation gets opposite of rough (i.e. too "smooth"). The Cherokee with MTs had big trouble going up a moderately graded snowy street in the city while another Cherokee just passed by on limousine tyres.

I dont understand why we expect MT tyres to perform like road tyres on wet roads, how can we compare?
Lets exclude snow or ice from the offset, even super sticky road tyres will slip and slide in the snow, so why are MT's any worse in similar conditions.
You are in control of the speed of the vehicle and should drive according to the conditions and the performance of the vehicle. I have MT remoulds (even worse to some) fitted to my Land Rover series 2 and its never slipped, skidded or attempted to kill me since I fitted them. I drive it within its ability and the queue behind can just wait :laugh:
Off road (or on snow / ice ) the tyres are unstoppable, the grip is better than any road tyre.
I would happily fit MT tyres to my Jimny and drive it accordingly (slower), its no faster than my Series in acceleration or top speed, so I am not expecting any MT's to be a performance tyre on wet roads, why would you?

Of course just my humble opion, and in no way based on any real experience of a Jimny on anything other than the standard OEM road tyre (which are also evil apparently ) :woohoo:

Precisely. I am in a minority in that I want to make mine into a hot hatch not a tractor. Consequently I have tyres that allow for very predictable road manners at the cost of not really being at all capable in anything worse than a grassy field. It is exactly the opposite compromise to mud tyres. They're good in a swamp but less predictable on tarmac. Adjustments of the driving style to compensate for the compromise are not difficult.

Bosanek wrote: The Cherokee with MTs had big trouble going up a moderately graded snowy street in the city while another Cherokee just passed by on limousine tyres.

My Cherokee was lethal in anything but dry roads. It was the main reason I got rid of it. I have driven many fourbies in all sorts of conditions on all sorts of tyres and have learned to drive according to the vehicle but the Cherokee was lethal.

Ultimately on ice and similar braking is the problem no matter what the tyres are. I don't worry too much about going but I do worry about stopping. I drive my Pajero like a juggernaut at sea particularly in the wet, I suppose because of its 2 ton weight and rear wheel drive, but I drive my Celerio in a much more livelier manner.