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Removing Jimny vacuum hub system?

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17 Jan 2017 23:18 #176936 by Mraz
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Hi!

I have a 2006 Jimny that is giving me headache. My vacuum hubs are not working so I've put them in locked position and blocked the pipes until I get manual hubs. I have blocked the vacuum pipes near the engine and sometimes it works fine with no blinking light and sometimes it drives me crazy, like today. My question is: Is it possible to remove whole vacuum hub system alltogether (solenoids and everything) and somehow make it work? It is a 2006 button style Jimny.

Greetings from snowy Croatia.

Vedran R.

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19 Jan 2017 09:17 #176972 by wilku
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Hi there,

I've removed all the vacuum system on a lever-style Jimny and fixed the light issue this way:
www.bigjimny.com/mediawiki/index.php/4WD..._fix_for_manual_hubs

However in your model I *guess* you need the 4WD module to engage the transfer box. I don't have the wiring diagram but I *guess* (again) that you'd also have a wire coming FROM the transfer box to the 4WD module and you could bridge it with the wire going to the light. This would require more investigation - if anyone has a wiring diagram / service manual for >2005 I'd appreciate that.

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19 Jan 2017 12:09 #176992 by Mraz
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Thak you.

As I understand there's a vacuum monitoring switch that checks if the sistem is working fine. I'm thinking maybe I could somehow fool or bridge this switch and make 4WD module think everything is working fine. Than I could remove all except the sensor and be done with it.

I removed the vacuum monitoring switch, cleaned the tiny filter and noticed the part where wires enter the switch is damaged, like the wires were slightli pulled from it. Maybe the switch itself is faulty, but I'm not sure how to check it. Maybe blow/suck and measure ic the circuit closes? If the switch operation is that simple than I guess theres no harm in bridging its contacts?

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19 Jan 2017 12:45 - 19 Jan 2017 12:46 #176996 by wilku
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In the older version it wasn't that simple unfortunately. The switch (vacuum switch) you're talking about was switching just for a few seconds and then shut off - just enough to let the appropriate valve open and close after a moment. The vacuum is only needed to change hub state, not to maintain it.

So if you bridge those two you will tell the 4WD module that the valves are constantly open, and that will result in an error - indicated by the blinking light.

If I were you I'd rather check if there is a blue or blue/blk wire going from a switch on a 4wd transfer case to the 4wd module and bridge it with a module-to-light wire. So just bypass the wiring of the light-bulb, and let the 4WD module work as before. But again - I have no wiring diagram to check if my approach is correct.

... and this is the reason why I wanted a pre 2005 Jimny - less wires, less electronics = easier modding :)
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19 Jan 2017 14:42 #177006 by Mraz
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The switch has only one vacuum tube connected and only two wires so I assumed it works as a safety check device - probably a simple switch with a membrane that closes or opens the circuit when there's enugh vacuum.

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19 Jan 2017 14:52 #177012 by wilku
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There's a Jimny Service Manual on the Internet available for pre 2005 models. the filename is 99500_81A02_01E.pdf - google & download it. Section 3D-3 explains the switches & valves (at least to some extent) and shows the behaviour of each element when you switch from 2WD to 4WD (using a lever). From that I conclude that the solution will not be that simple in case of a button-selected 4WD drive.

If only I could lay my hands on a SN415 (post 2005 Jimny) service manual... :) (any PMs with hints on that would be highly appreciated)

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19 Jan 2017 15:11 #177014 by mlines
Have you seen this information , it may help you google for the correct manual

I have not put it in the Wiki yet, I see Bosanek has created a table for this information but he has not filled it in.

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19 Jan 2017 15:48 #177015 by wilku
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Oh - the filenames are there - maybe that's the way. because I do not recommend following any of the results from google for "SN415 Service Manual" or "SN415 Wiring Diagram" ;)

I've got now what I need. Thanks Martin!

Mraz - can you check the VIN of your car? (It would help me to choose the correct Wiring Diagram and give you more hints)

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19 Jan 2017 16:30 - 19 Jan 2017 16:55 #177017 by Mraz
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Believe it or not - it works! I've bridged the connector coming to the vacuum sensor and light stopped flashing, now I can use 2H, 4H and 4L. When I reconected the vacuum sensor 4WD light started flashing. Maybe my sensor is not working and rest of the system is OK but at the moment I don't really care, I'm just happy I can drive my Jimny :) For now. I just hope the car doesn't catch fire haha.

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19 Jan 2017 18:16 #177028 by wilku
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Congrats!
Test it for a while and let us know if it works - we can then expand our Wiki article.

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19 Jan 2017 18:35 #177032 by Mraz
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I will. Tomorrow I'll solder a bridge to original connector so I can connect/discinnect on the go and make it look the part.

Is there any danger of this "fix" somehow messing with the 4WD controler?

This forum is full of great info, I'm glad I found it. Thank you guys! And I apologize for the lack of grammar, I rarely get a chance to use English.

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20 Jan 2017 09:48 #177052 by wilku
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I am not a native English speaker too, but Mraz, your English is perfectly fine.

As to dangers of the fix - I am not really sure - tell which switch exactly did you bridge (and what are the colors of the wires there - I'll then consult the wiring diagram.

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