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is this true as i never new this

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15 Nov 2012 17:40 - 15 Nov 2012 17:47 #53328 by nicho
is this true as i never new this was created by nicho
put this hear cos didt wont to clog up someones my jimny page.
this might be of use to a few people i thought ud have to be taxed motd n insured so never looked into it


Hi All, I dont believe you would need to have it taxed or insured to tow it it on a a-bar or dolly, however you would need a specialist dolly or towing bar that is equipped to use the brakes on the vehicle you are towing. Ie the law states anything over 750kg now has to be braked, so if towing the Jimny you would need a specialist towing dolly hooked up to the brakes.

o yeah im not douting this at all or anything.
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15 Nov 2012 17:59 #53334 by facade
www.ntta.co.uk/faq/

A frames are for recovery only.
Safest to get a car trailer and have all 4 vehicle wheels off the road.

If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there :)

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15 Nov 2012 18:47 #53345 by nicho
Replied by nicho on topic is this true as i never new this
this must mean that loads of big campers are towing illegally ive seen a lot with fiat 500s

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15 Nov 2012 18:56 #53346 by Dave cc
Replied by Dave cc on topic is this true as i never new this
Blimey sothat states that it is illegal to tow any car on a A frame braked or not then thank god for my mate Brian James then :)

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15 Nov 2012 18:59 #53347 by mlines

nicho wrote: this must mean that loads of big campers are towing illegally ive seen a lot with fiat 500s


Correct

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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses

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15 Nov 2012 19:37 #53356 by Obarno
That's funny Dave cc as Brian James is a good mate of mine as well!

Manual VVT, 2 1/2" lift, ORA castor corrected arms, 2" ORA body lift, 4:1 transfer box, Uprated front shafts & CVs ERM , ARBs back & front 3.9 diffs, 6 point cage, ORA winch bumper - Superwinch EP9, ORA rear bumper, ORA axle truses, Diff guards ERM , TBR tank guard, Snorkel, Kumho KL71.30.9.50 15

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15 Nov 2012 20:39 #53369 by mlines
You should meet my friend Ifor Williams then.

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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses

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15 Nov 2012 20:44 #53371 by supergaz
Also you have to be careful to have the B+E entitlement on your licence to tow if towing heavy combinations. I'm having to be careful this weekend to keep my trainweight on my van under 6000kg as the van is currently fully loaded at 3500kg with me in it and I shall be towing a big tri axle 3500kg trailer with a big old volvo on the back.

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15 Nov 2012 22:36 #53399 by phippj1
Replied by phippj1 on topic is this true as i never new this
Hi All,

That was my original post, there are a lot of motor homes breaking the law, however many have the braking a bars as seen in this attachement, some how they attach to the vehicle that you are towing's breaking system so that they brake like a towing trailer.

www.armitagetrailers.com/Aframes.htm

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16 Nov 2012 23:35 #53486 by facade

supergaz wrote: Also you have to be careful to have the B+E entitlement on your licence to tow if towing heavy combinations. I'm having to be careful this weekend to keep my trainweight on my van under 6000kg as the van is currently fully loaded at 3500kg with me in it and I shall be towing a big tri axle 3500kg trailer with a big old volvo on the back.


Doesn't this depend solely on what is stamped on the 'plates?

If the plated GVW of the van is 3500kg and the plated GVW of the trailer is 3500kg, then the trainweight is 7000kg whether there is only a packet of tissues in an empty van and an empty trailer, or the van is full of bricks and there is a LandRover on the trailer (unless I misunderstand the Law)

If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there :)

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16 Nov 2012 23:45 - 16 Nov 2012 23:48 #53489 by facade

phippj1 wrote:

www.armitagetrailers.com/Aframes.htm


Interesting, presumably these are made to comply with the relevant Euro regs to be legal, generally available info suggests that the braked A frames aren't.

Certainly don't buy a car that has been towed on one of these, what will be the signs left on the car that one of these has been fitted? How does it work the brakes?


(we debated this a while ago, general consensus is that towing in neutral the layshaft is stationary so oil doesn't get flung round the gearbox to lubricate the bearings inside the gears that are now stationary on the rotating mainshaft, unless the gearbox has an oilpump driven by the output shaft)

If it suddenly breaks, go back to the last thing that you did before it broke and start looking there :)
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16 Nov 2012 23:50 #53490 by Barnyzuki
Replied by Barnyzuki on topic is this true as i never new this
A frames aren`t illegal nor are they for recovery only.

But unless you have a type approved unit that would stand up to insurance/police/vosa/courts questioning then I`d suggest you use a trailer :)

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