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Re:Suzuki Toyota Collaboration

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20 Mar 2019 13:45 - 20 Mar 2019 13:47 #204843 by jim
Suzuki Toyota Collaboration was created by jim
Suzuki & Toyota

My wife has an 05 Rav4 and I have my 07 Jimny and they both feel very similar in many ways.

I think with Suzuki struggling a little with European emissions, Toyota lending them their hybrid technology is a good move for their future.
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20 Mar 2019 22:09 #204860 by mlines
That's interesting as last year there was rumours of a Toyota badged Jimny. Perhaps instead it was Toyota looking at putting a hybrid drivetrain into a Jimny for Suzuki as there is supposed to be an electric or hybrid based one in the pipeline

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21 Mar 2019 07:49 #204870 by yakuza
Looking forward to this as the Jimny will never be imported to Norway with the 1.5 engine most likely.
Who makes the hybrid Swift and Ignis system?
The only engine option in Norway on Swift and Ignis is the hybrid.

Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.

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21 Mar 2019 08:16 #204872 by AlexK
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yakuza wrote: Looking forward to this as the Jimny will never be imported to Norway with the 1.5 engine most likely.
Who makes the hybrid Swift and Ignis system?


The SHVS system is a mild hybrid set-up - it's just a small battery under the passenger seat and an ISG on the aux belt that can supply up to 50Nm of additional torque in short bursts. The ISG can't drive the vehicle by itself, only assist, whereas the Toyota tie-in gives Suzuki access to a full hybrid set-up that can.

SHVS is a neat system - it only adds 6.2kg to the overall weight - and should have been on Jimny to begin with, in my opinion, as it would go a long way towards solving Suzuki's EU CO2 target problem. I don't know who makes it, but as it's literally only three components I imagine it's Denso or similar.

The Suzuki/Toyota collaboration as announced so far doesn't include anything for Jimny, and in my opinion Jimny's platform is too small for a full hybrid set-up.

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21 Mar 2019 08:24 #204873 by TaterTot
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mlines wrote: That's interesting as last year there was rumours of a Toyota badged Jimny. Perhaps instead it was Toyota looking at putting a hybrid drivetrain into a Jimny for Suzuki as there is supposed to be an electric or hybrid based one in the pipeline

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I'll only accept this move, if they make a Jimny Hilux.

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21 Mar 2019 09:13 #204878 by AlexK
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TaterTot wrote: I'll only accept this move, if they make a Jimny Hilux.


Pickups for emerging markets are a real growth area. Since access to emerging markets is what Toyota wanted to tap into with this tie-in, a pickup Jimny would make sense. :whistle:

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21 Mar 2019 09:22 #204881 by JimJimny
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If it's an electric pick-up you're looking for and if you've already won the lottery, check out the Rivian.

As for the collaboration, I'm not convinced that a Suzuki/Toyota collab coming up with a hybrid set-up would be particularly worthwhile anyway. Instead, an all-electric battery design would be the better future-proof solution and I can't see any reason why the Jimny wouldn't be the perfect small vehicle for adapting to an all-EV verison. Equipped with a large enough battery to allow for reasonable range and selectable front and rear axle motors it would have truly fantastic 4WD low-down torque capability. The limiting factor with EVs is always the power to weight ratio, so there's an optimal size, but battery technology has come on by leaps and bounds and I think it could already be achieved. Applying a little imagination, in terms of physical layout, a new 'Jimny-E' (or maybe it'd just be called a 'Jimnee'!) could be the best Jimny ever yet made!

Of course, die-hard 'ICE' purists will absolutely hate the idea, but I'd be willing to bet if they could drive an electric Jimny today they would soon change their minds. Once you get your head around not having a noisy revving geared engine, with stuff puthering out of an exhaust pipe, the on-demand torque and ability of EVs make them an absolute hoot to drive! It's not really a matter of 'if' it'll happen, more just a case of 'when'. All I'll say is, if it was available right now, my deposit would be down on one.

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21 Mar 2019 12:11 #204887 by yakuza
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I think so too JimJimny.
The future is all-electric and the hybrid is just a bump in the road we have to travel to get there. I never understood the point of dragging the batteries and electric motor if you also drag along a petrol engine and a fuel tank. Why put two half car systems in one car? It is best to have a complete one to function best and with less components to get broken and shorten the life of the product.

the SHVS system however sounds easy and small enough to function OK without too much hassle. Or a hybrid with a small petrol generator to help with the range extension for the electric drive.

Battery technology will have to get better before we can finally switch over to EV. And of course the power grids in most countries will have to be non-dinosaur powered. No point in driving an EV if you charge it with coal and gas fired power.

Norway 2005 Jimny M16A VVT, 235 BFG MT, 2" Trailmaster, ARB rear lck, 17%/87% high/low gears.

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02 Apr 2019 17:01 #205415 by Rabid Rhino
Update on the collaboration....
news.yahoo.com/toyota-suzuki-partner-hybrids-evs-125500379.html

We'll take them anyway we can get them...
Come on.... Make & bring them to the USA...



& Norway

then we can swap in a proper powerplant

Looking for a nice clean and straight LHD Jimny..... Not any more.
Got one that seems to have been magnatized and driven through the "Big Jimny Bits" parts stores too quickly so it missed a few items.

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02 Apr 2019 17:09 #205418 by mlines
Hmm, that says the RAV4 is the SUV going forward

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Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses

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02 Apr 2019 17:58 #205422 by Guy 2
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I think, on balance, any collaboration/sharing of risk has to be a good thing - particularly given the commercial pressures facing motor manufacturers over the next decade or so. The key thing is going to be (for lack of a better phrase) retaining the "Jimny-ness" of the Jimny.

As the Jimny is now, in my opinion, the one 'totemic' Suzuki car-product - reinforced by the international positive reaction to the Gen 4 Jimny, then even if Jimny sales still remain 'niche' it would be commercial suicide to dilute this exemplar of a core Brand value.

Of course, companies do stupid things - but if anyone's reading this let's hope they don't!

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