Front bumper issues - Revision history

Bosanek: Additional notes in the swap chapter

2019-11-29T07:11:35Z

Additional notes in the swap chapter

Bosanek: Much more info about bumper swaps

2019-11-29T07:07:16Z

Much more info about bumper swaps

Bosanek: Additional cleanup

2019-11-29T06:12:52Z

Additional cleanup

Bosanek: Cleanup and corrections in chapter about fog lamps

2019-11-29T06:10:33Z

Cleanup and corrections in chapter about fog lamps

Bosanek: Some typos

2019-06-12T11:25:58Z

Some typos

Bosanek: Nomenclature change from "bumper generation" to "bumper model" to avoid confusion with Jimny vehicle generations

2019-06-12T10:17:32Z

Nomenclature change from "bumper generation" to "bumper model" to avoid confusion with Jimny vehicle generations

Show changes

Bosanek: More info about installation of a 1st gen front bumper on newer Jimnys 3 which originally had a 3rd gen front bumper

2019-06-11T11:33:46Z

More info about installation of a 1st gen front bumper on newer Jimnys 3 which originally had a 3rd gen front bumper

Bosanek: Added a warning about legal consequences of having an illegal front bumper fitted

2019-05-22T13:41:19Z

Added a warning about legal consequences of having an illegal front bumper fitted

Bosanek: Improved info about various bumper swapping combinations regarding the fog lamp compatibility

2019-05-07T05:36:04Z

Improved info about various bumper swapping combinations regarding the fog lamp compatibility

Bosanek: Category adjustment

2019-02-21T13:57:35Z

Category adjustment

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	**# Cut off the lower half of those brackets;		**# Cut off the lower half of those brackets;
	**# Replace the entire brackets with suitable brackets for 1st model front bumper;		**# Replace the entire brackets with suitable brackets for 1st model front bumper;
		+	*** Note: In the first two solutions, you will still have to fabricate a pair of additional "re-alignment" brackets to sit between the OEM brackets and the 1st front bumper model.

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 ** However, the difference is not so pronounced as with a change from 2nd model to 1st model front bumper.
 * Replacing one model of a front bumper with another on the same vehicle should be legal (both are genuine parts), and it should not affect the operation of the airbag sensor(s).
 ** But this is a theoretical assumption.
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 * The side view picture of a 3rd model front bumper might not be directly comparable with these two on the left, because it was '''not''' taken from the exactly the same angle.
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 *#** In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
 *# The newest ones (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-63J00</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J02</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J04</font>), which usually have a surrounding bezel as a separate part.
-*#* These front fog lamps will be compatible with the new bumper without a need for any carrier in between (they bolt on straight to the bracket).
+*#* These front fog lamps will be compatible with the new bumper without a need for any carrier in between (they bolt on directly to the bumper).
 *#* The fog lamp carriers from the old bumper will be surplus and can be sold to someone else.
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 * The current bumper has integrated carriers which are not separable anyway.
 * You will have to obtain suitable front fog lamp carriers which are compatible with the new bumper.

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 If replacing '''1st''' model front bumper with '''2nd''' model front bumper:
 * ''By the way, why would you want to do this?''
-* Jimnys with factory installed 1st model front bumper used two types of front fog lamps:
+* Jimnys with factory installed 1st model front bumper used three types of front fog lamps:
-*# The older ones which do not have a bezel around them (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-74F50</font>);
+*# The oldest ones which do not have a bezel around them (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-74F50</font>);
-*# The newer ones (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-63J00</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J02</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J04</font>), which have a surrounding bezel as a separate part.
+*#* Neither these front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
-* If your current '''1st''' model front bumper has the older fog lamp type installed, neither the current front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
+*#** In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
-** In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
+*# The middle ones which have a bezel around them (produced by <font face="Courier">Cibie</font>, model <font face="Courier">026719</font>), which have a surrounding bezel as a separate part;
-*** At least you will be able to sell your old front fog lamps+carriers to someone with a 1st model front bumper.
+*#* Neither these front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
-* If your current '''1st''' model front bumper has the newer fog lamp type installed, the current front fog lamps should be compatible with the new bumper, but the carriers will not.
+*#** In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
 If replacing '''1st''' model front bumper with '''3rd''' model front bumper:
-* Jimnys with factory installed 1st model front bumper used two types of front fog lamps:
+* Jimnys with factory installed 1st model front bumper used three types of front fog lamps:
-*# The older ones which do not have a bezel around them (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-74F50</font>);
+*# The oldest ones which do not have a bezel around them (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-74F50</font>);
-*# The newer ones (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-63J00</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J02</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J04</font>), which have a surrounding bezel as a separate part.
+*#* Neither these front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
-* If your current '''1st''' model front bumper has the older fog lamp type installed, neither the current front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
+*#** In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
-** In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps which match the new front bumper model (but you do not need the carriers, as the 3rd model front bumper has them integrated).
+*# The middle ones which have a bezel around them (produced by <font face="Courier">Cibie</font>, model <font face="Courier">026719</font>), which have a surrounding bezel as a separate part;
-*** At least you will be able to sell your old front fog lamps+carriers to someone with a 1st model front bumper.
+*#* Neither these front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
-* If your current '''1st''' model front bumper has the newer fog lamp type installed, the current front fog lamps should be compatible with the new bumper, and your current carriers will remain surplus.
+*#** In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
 If replacing '''2nd''' model front bumper with '''1st''' model front bumper:
-* Neither current front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
+* The current front fog lamps will be compatible with the new bumper, but their carriers/brackets will not.
-* In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
+* You will have to obtain another type of front fog lamp carriers which is compatible with the new bumper.
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 If replacing '''3rd''' model front bumper with '''1st''' model front bumper:
-* The current front fog lamps will not be compatible with the new bumper.
+* The current front fog lamps will be compatible with the new bumper.
-** The current bumper has integrated carriers which are not separable anyway.
+* The current bumper has integrated carriers which are not separable anyway.
-* In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper model.
+* You will have to obtain suitable front fog lamp carriers which are compatible with the new bumper.
-** At least you will be able to sell your old front fog lamps to someone with a 2nd or 3rd model front bumper.
+* You will also have to obtain two specific wiring adapters (or solder some fixed wiring connections).
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 * The current front fog lamps will be fully compatible with the new front bumper.
 * However, you will need to obtain a pair (left+right) of matching front fog lamp carriers for the 2nd model front bumper.

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 * The 1st model bumper is the smallest one (does not hang too low to the ground).
 * The 3rd model bumper also is not bad.
-* However, 2nd ed. bumper is overly large (hangs very low to the ground), and it significantly reduces the approach angle.
+* However, 2nd model bumper is overly large (hangs very low to the ground), and it significantly reduces the approach angle.
 ** The risk of it hitting the ground is quite higher than with other two bumper models.
 <gallery widths=320 heights=240 class=center>
-Jimny (UK).jpg|1st ed. front bumper, used from 1998 to 2006
+Jimny (UK).jpg|1st model front bumper, used from 1998 to 2006
-Jimny (UK).jpg|2nd ed. front bumper, used from 2006 to 2012
+Jimny (UK).jpg|2nd model front bumper, used from 2006 to 2012
-Jimny (UK).jpg|3rd ed. front bumper, used from 2012 to 2018
+Jimny (UK).jpg|3rd model front bumper, used from 2012 to 2018
 </gallery>
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-== Problems with 2nd ed. front bumper ==
+== Problems with 2nd model front bumper ==
-* The 2nd ed. front bumper is the most endangered point when off-roading, and it's easy to damage.
+* The 2nd model front bumper is the most endangered point when off-roading, and it's easy to damage.
-* Also, 2nd ed. bumper reduces the space around the front wheels, limiting the size to which the wheels can be increased (by using larger tyres).
+* Also, 2nd model bumper reduces the space around the front wheels, limiting the size to which the wheels can be increased (by using larger tyres).
-** With 2nd ed. bumper, the usual tyre size limit is 205 / 75 / R15 (and even that size sometimes makes a contact if the bumper is sagged).
+** With 2nd model bumper, the usual tyre size limit is 205 / 75 / R15 (and even that size sometimes makes a contact if the bumper is sagged).
-** On the other hand, with the 1st ed. bumper, even 215 / 75 / R15 is usually not a problem.
+** On the other hand, with the 1st model bumper, even 215 / 75 / R15 is usually not a problem.
-The 3rd ed. front bumper is also a bit restrictive in regards to the above issues, but not as much as the 2nd model front bumper.
+The 3rd model front bumper is also a bit restrictive in regards to the above issues, but not as much as the 2nd model front bumper.
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-<gallery widths=400 heights=225 class=center caption="2nd edition DDiS Jimny 3 without the front bumper">
+<gallery widths=400 heights=225 class=center caption="Jimny 3 DDiS edition 2 without the front bumper">
 Suzuki Jimny 3 DDiS edition 2 - without front bumper - A01.jpg|The intercooler is just below the '''right''' head lamp
 Suzuki Jimny 3 DDiS edition 2 - without front bumper - A02.jpg|The intercooler in all its beauty

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	[[File:Suzuki Jimny - pre-2013 bonnet with 3rd gen front bumper - A01.jpg\|372px\|thumb\|left\|Pre-2013 Jimny with 3rd gen. front bumper]]		[[File:Suzuki Jimny - pre-2013 bonnet with 3rd gen front bumper - A01.jpg\|372px\|thumb\|left\|Pre-2013 Jimny with 3rd gen. front bumper]]
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		+
		+
		+	It appears that it is not trivial to fit a 1st gen. front bumper to a Jimny 3 which originally had a 3rd gen. front bumper. Some parts of the chassis collide with the older bumper, and there are no mounting holes in the top of the old bumper for the center grille (between the head lamps).
		+
		+	However, the swap is still possible after some modifications, as shown in [https://www.drive2.ru/l/3401620/ this Russian's report].
		+
		+	[[File:Suzuki Jimny 3 - front bumper, 1st gen instead of 3rd gen - A01.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|left\|Suzuki Jimny 3, built between 2012 and 2018. It originally had a 3rd gen front bumper. Now it has a 1st gen front bumper.]]
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	* Most metal front bumpers will adversely affect the operation of the airbag sensor(s);		* Most metal front bumpers will adversely affect the operation of the airbag sensor(s);
	* Most metal front bumpers will adversely <font face="Impact">impact</font> the fate of anything that collides with them;		* Most metal front bumpers will adversely <font face="Impact">impact</font> the fate of anything that collides with them;
		+
		+
		+	{{warning\|If you have a traffic accident while driving a vehicle which has an illegal front bumper fitted (no matter if the accident is your fault or not), you could face severe government penalties + lawsuits from other participants in the accident (for example, from a pedestrian or a child's furious parents whose bones your fancy bumper broke)!}}

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 == Introduction ==
+Jimnys 3 were produced from 1998 to 2018, and there have been three front bumper models on them:
-Jimnys have been in production since 1998, and there have been three front bumper models on them:
+# 1st gen. bumper (1998-2006)
 # 2nd gen. bumper (2006-2012)
-# 3rd gen. bumper (2013-ongoing)
+# 3rd gen. bumper (2012-2018)
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 <gallery widths=320 heights=240 class=center>
-Jimny (UK).jpg|1st gen. front bumper on a 2001 model year Jimny
+Jimny (UK).jpg|1st gen. front bumper, used from 1998 to 2006
-Jimny (UK).jpg|2nd gen. front bumper on a 2009 model year Jimny
+Jimny (UK).jpg|2nd gen. front bumper, used from 2006 to 2012
-Jimny (UK).jpg|3rd gen. front bumper on a 2014 model year Jimny
+Jimny (UK).jpg|3rd gen. front bumper, used from 2012 to 2018
 </gallery>
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-* If you have a 2nd gen. front bumper, and you find that it obstructs your vehicle's off-roading "potency" (or limits your intentions on using larger tyres), the best alternative is to buy a second-hand 1st gen. front bumper (1998-2005) from a scrap yard (or exchange it with another Jimny owner), paint it if needed, and install it instead of the 2nd gen. front bumper.
+* If you have a 2nd gen. front bumper, and you find that it obstructs your vehicle's off-roading "potency" (or limits your intentions on using larger tyres), the best alternative is to buy a second-hand 1st gen. front bumper (1998-2006) from a scrap yard (or exchange it with another Jimny owner), paint it if needed, and install it instead of the 2nd gen. front bumper.
 * You could even swap a 3rd gen. front bumper with a 1st gen. front bumper if you want some more clearance.
 ** However, the difference is not so pronounced as with a change from 2nd gen. to 1st gen. front bumper.
-* The mounts for attaching a bumper on the vehicle should be (almost) 100% compatible on any Jimny from 1998 until today.
+* The mounts for attaching a bumper on the vehicle should be (almost) 100% compatible on any Jimny 3 from 1998 to 2018.
 ** However, this has not been confirmed by someone yet.
 * Replacing one edition of a front bumper with another on the same vehicle should be legal (both are genuine parts), and it should not affect the operation of the airbag sensor(s).
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 * The "before" (left) part of the image is with a 2nd gen. bumper.
 * The "after" (right) part of the image is with a 1st gen. bumper.
-* The side view picture of a 3rd gen. front bumper might not be directly comparable with these two on the left, because it was not taken from the exactly the same angle.
+* The side view picture of a 3rd gen. front bumper might not be directly comparable with these two on the left, because it was '''not''' taken from the exactly the same angle.
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-Pre-2013 and post-2013 Jimnys have different front bonnet and grille (look at the pictures in the "Introduction" chapter):
+Pre-2013 and post-2013 Jimnys 3 have different front bonnet and grille (look at the pictures in the "Introduction" chapter):
 * In pre-2013 Jimnys, the bonnet and grille are a single-piece and there are five plastic grille holes / grids in the bonnet itself
 * In post-2013 Jimnys, the bonnet is shorter in the front, and there is a large fixed front grille between the front head lamps, reminiscent of a "Hummer-style" front grille.
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 If replacing '''1st''' gen. front bumper with '''2nd''' gen. front bumper:
 * ''By the way, why would you want to do this?''
-* Neither current front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
+* Jimnys with factory installed 1st gen. front bumper used two types of front fog lamps:
-* In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper generation.
+*# The older ones which do not have a bezel around them (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-74F50</font>);
-** At least you will be able to sell your old front fog lamps+carriers to someone with a 1st gen. front bumper.
+*# The newer ones (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-63J00</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J02</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J04</font>), which have a surrounding bezel as a separate part.
 If replacing '''1st''' gen. front bumper with '''3rd''' gen. front bumper:
-* Neither current front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
+* Jimnys with factory installed 1st gen. front bumper used two types of front fog lamps:
-* However, the 3rd gen. front bumper (should) has integrated front fog lamp carriers/brackets.
+*# The older ones which do not have a bezel around them (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-74F50</font>);
-* This means that you will just have to buy a pair of different front fog lamps - the ones which are compatible with 2nd/3rd gen. front bumper.
+*# The newer ones (P.N. <font face="Courier">35500-63J00</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J02</font> or <font face="Courier">35500-63J04</font>), which have a surrounding bezel as a separate part.
-** At least you will be able to sell your old front fog lamps+carriers to someone with a 1st gen. front bumper.
+* If your current '''1st''' gen. front bumper has the older fog lamp type installed, neither the current front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
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 If replacing '''2nd''' gen. front bumper with '''3rd''' gen. front bumper:
 * The current front fog lamps will be fully compatible with the new bumper.
-* As the 3rd gen. front bumper (should) has integrated front fog lamp carriers/brackets, the current front fog lamp carriers from the 2nd gen. front bumper will become surplus.
+* As the 3rd gen. front bumper has integrated front fog lamp carriers/brackets, the current front fog lamp carriers from the 2nd gen. front bumper will become surplus.
 If replacing '''3rd''' gen. front bumper with '''1st''' gen. front bumper:
-* Neither current front fog lamps nor their carriers/brackets will be compatible with the new bumper.
+* The current front fog lamps will not be compatible with the new bumper.
 * In other words, you will have to obtain an entire new set of front fog lamps (including carriers) which match the new front bumper generation.
 ** At least you will be able to sell your old front fog lamps to someone with a 2nd or 3rd gen. front bumper.
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 * Prominent looks;
 * Takes a beating off road;
-* Typically increases approach angle;
+* Typically increases the approach angle;
 * It can also be used as a mount for driving lamps, winch, high lift jack, machine gun, a statue from the front of a ship, etc.
 * You have a right to declare one gear as "''ramming speed''";

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 {{Edited}}
-[[Category:Body]]
+[[Category:Body - gen3]]
-[[Category:Modifications]]
+[[Category:Modifications - gen3]]