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19 Sep 2017 19:26 #184263 by Lambert
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Hi all. If I were to want to have 4x4 that I could use on the road both for getting out of the farm and also for my extra curricular activities and I wanted to retain a low ratio and without needing to resize the wheels to maintain on road performance, what are the options for off the shelf transfer boxes? Obviously I would need to fab up new propshaft flanges and or alter lengths to suit as well as make up a carrier. I also accept the likelihood of needing levers instead of the buttons. I had considered a terios t box but it has no low range, and the land rover and jeep offerings bolt to the main box and are stupid heavy too. What else would work?

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19 Sep 2017 20:19 #184264 by OllieNZ
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An lt230 is probably the best bet. They may weigh a ton but are pretty bullet proof, can be mounted divorced, matches the diff offset on the axles, has a 3.32 low ratio and either a 1.2 or 1.6 high ratio depending on the vehicle it came from.
A landcruiser t-case would be another option, not a heavy as the lt230 (chain drive, thinner case casting.) Typically a 1:1 high and 2:1ish low. Quite rare and very expensive to get hold of over here the ones I've seen have been £500 plus.
Pretty much everything else I've come across has a center rear output which is no good for the jimny unless you fit a vitara rear axle on the back.

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19 Sep 2017 22:16 #184265 by Busta
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I believe the Lada Niva transfer box fits the bill. Keithy has been threatening to make a permanent 4x4 Jimny for a while. He must know something!
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20 Sep 2017 03:56 #184266 by Lambert
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I'm not sure that the robustness of the lt230 is of any benefit in something as light and underpowered as a Jimny, maybe if an ls3 was providing the motive force but otherwise it seems a bit overkill?

Lada. Good solid Russian engineering in something not too far away from the Jimny. Good plan. Keithy, what do I need to know about this conversion?

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20 Sep 2017 06:08 #184267 by 1066Boy
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The Lada Niva one will be tough as old boots. I had a Niva for several years and used it very hard and nothing ever broke. I sold mine though as even some simple bits are getting difficult to get. :(

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20 Sep 2017 08:03 #184269 by OllieNZ
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Hate to throw a spanner in the works but the lada t case is l/h output and the jimny is r/h output. The logistics of fitting it would be a nightmare.

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20 Sep 2017 15:38 - 20 Sep 2017 16:22 #184274 by Venter
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Rockwatt seemed to think the Niva t-box was a good idea. Not sure if he had a solution to the l/h r/h output problem, but might be worth hitting him up about it. He had a handful of Niva t-boxes lying around his workshop a few years ago when I spoke to him about it.

He seemed to think the main obstacles were refabbing new mounts, and getting HD front shafts / CVs installed to cope with added stress of permanent 4x4.
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20 Sep 2017 16:13 #184275 by Lambert
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Hmmm. This is making permanent rwd an increasingly likely proposition.

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20 Sep 2017 16:25 #184277 by Venter
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c'mon, we need a guinea pig, might just start a new craze amongst Jimny owners and you'd be able to say it was you who started it ;)

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20 Sep 2017 19:10 #184282 by OllieNZ
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To fit the lh drop case you basically have to mirror image the drive train.
-Flip the axles
-Move the fuel tank
-Reroute the exhaust
-Mod the tubular cross members to clear the drive shafts
Maybe some other stuff I've missed....

I'm going to fit an lt230 to mine (along with yota axles and auto box with a 250hp VAG 1.8t 20 valve up front)

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21 Sep 2017 06:39 - 21 Sep 2017 06:42 #184285 by Busta
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OllieNZ wrote: To fit the lh drop case you basically have to mirror image the drive train.
-Flip the axles
-Move the fuel tank
-Reroute the exhaust
-Mod the tubular cross members to clear the drive shafts
Maybe some other stuff I've missed....

I'm going to fit an lt230 to mine (along with yota axles and auto box with a 250hp VAG 1.8t 20 valve up front)


Or mount the transfer box at the required angle, drill a new oil drain hole and bend the shift levers so they come up through the floor in the right place? Which would seem an easier option. It's just a box with some gears in. It doesn't know which way 'up' is.
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21 Sep 2017 08:49 #184286 by Lambert
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No ollieNZ is right. To get the correct orientation you would have to rotate the box 180 through the vertical axis ant then drive it through the wrong side of the input flange, essentially turning it into a custom one off, not a bolt on and therefore outside my abilities.

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