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2-lo switch video guide.
16 Jan 2017 14:55 #176880
by Busta
2-lo switch video guide. was created by Busta
I recently bought a new Jimny and needed to wire in a '2-lo' switch. Here is a very poorly made video of the simple process of installing said switch.
For those not already familiar, the switch allows you to control the front hubs independantly of the 4wd lever. The main benefit of this is to allow the use of low range in 2wd. It's great for trailer work, tight manoeuvres on grippy surfaces or doing donuts.
For those not already familiar, the switch allows you to control the front hubs independantly of the 4wd lever. The main benefit of this is to allow the use of low range in 2wd. It's great for trailer work, tight manoeuvres on grippy surfaces or doing donuts.
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16 Jan 2017 15:31 #176881
by jackonlyjack
Replied by jackonlyjack on topic 2-lo switch video guide.
very nice of you Busta
now i don't have to search forum when explaining to people how to do it
i still need to do this on my latest jim so much fun can be had in snow with 2low
Jack
now i don't have to search forum when explaining to people how to do it
i still need to do this on my latest jim so much fun can be had in snow with 2low
Jack
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19 Jan 2017 09:29 #176973
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Very nice explanation.
Put on WIKI maybe?
Put on WIKI maybe?
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19 Jan 2017 10:49 #176979
by mlines
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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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Wiki updated
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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19 Jan 2017 10:51 #176980
by wilku
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Thanks Martin, though I try to encourage people to author the contents themselves... you know, like in a WIKI
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19 Jan 2017 14:50 #177011
by mlines
Getting people to add to the Wiki is not easy.
Nice article appearing at present on the R72 gearbox from user "sheepish"
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic 2-lo switch video guide.
Getting people to add to the Wiki is not easy.
Nice article appearing at present on the R72 gearbox from user "sheepish"
Martin
2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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19 Jan 2017 15:51 #177016
by wilku
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I'll take a look, although I have no clue what R72 gearbox is...
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19 Jan 2017 16:48 #177019
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Nice blog Busta
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28 Jan 2017 16:50 #177424
by Bosanek
Replied by Bosanek on topic 2-lo switch video guide.
Does anyone know if the same wiring modification works on newer Jimnys with electric (push-button) transfer box?
If it does, does it have the same effects like with the older lever operated transmissions?
If it does, does it have the same effects like with the older lever operated transmissions?
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08 Feb 2017 08:56 #177853
by wilku
Replied by wilku on topic 2-lo switch video guide.
I doubt it, as I believe the electrical switch version usees the 4WD module to control both the vacuum system and the transfer box - so everything is controlled digitally. So a signal comes from a switch, to the module and then to the vacuum system and the transfer box.
In the lever version the communication was in the opposite direction: it was a simple switch in the transfer box that sent a signal to the 4WD module, which in turn operated the hubs.
Although someone with some more electrical experience might be able to figure that out... I'll just stick with an old-school transfer box for as long as I can
In the lever version the communication was in the opposite direction: it was a simple switch in the transfer box that sent a signal to the 4WD module, which in turn operated the hubs.
Although someone with some more electrical experience might be able to figure that out... I'll just stick with an old-school transfer box for as long as I can
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08 Feb 2017 09:16 #177855
by Bosanek
Replied by Bosanek on topic 2-lo switch video guide.
Well despite that functional flow difference, I believe that there is still a way to enable 2WD-L in electric transmission Jimnys.
The general concept of achieving the engagement of 2WD-L mode in electric transmission Jimnys would be this:
While being in 2WD and then pressing the 4WD(-H) button the 4WD controller has to be fooled into thinking that the vacuum system for the front wheel hubs has done its work (engaging the front wheel hubs), while actually nothing would happen in that department.
The specifics on how to do that would depend on which signals the 4WD controller sends to the vacuum system, and what it expects from the system as a resulting/returning signal that the vacuum system has successfully done its duty.
The command signals from the 4WD controller towards the vacuum system should be blocked off (to prevent the system from engaging the front wheel hubs).
Also, the returning signal from the vacuum system towards the 4WD controller would have to be faked to show a positive result, so that the 4WD controller is fooled into thinking that the front hubs are now engaged.
If this is achieved, now the 4WD controller should engage the front propeller shaft in the transfer box (effectively thinking that now it is in 4WD(-H). The vehicle would essentially remain in 2WD(-H), with the addition of the front propeller shaft now being connected to the transfer box, but it (and the front differential) would turn "in vain" without any effect, except a minor increase in mechanical wear and fuel consumption.
Now, the next step would be to simply press the 4WD-L button, and the 4WD controller would shift from H to L range just like it normally does. As far as I know, the 4WD controller checks nothing with the vacuum system when shifting between 4WD-H and 4WD-L and vice versa.
Disengaging back to ordinary 2WD mode should be just the opposite procedure.
I am looking forward to read a further elaboration on this general idea by someone else, as I am not entirely confident on it.
The general concept of achieving the engagement of 2WD-L mode in electric transmission Jimnys would be this:
While being in 2WD and then pressing the 4WD(-H) button the 4WD controller has to be fooled into thinking that the vacuum system for the front wheel hubs has done its work (engaging the front wheel hubs), while actually nothing would happen in that department.
The specifics on how to do that would depend on which signals the 4WD controller sends to the vacuum system, and what it expects from the system as a resulting/returning signal that the vacuum system has successfully done its duty.
The command signals from the 4WD controller towards the vacuum system should be blocked off (to prevent the system from engaging the front wheel hubs).
Also, the returning signal from the vacuum system towards the 4WD controller would have to be faked to show a positive result, so that the 4WD controller is fooled into thinking that the front hubs are now engaged.
If this is achieved, now the 4WD controller should engage the front propeller shaft in the transfer box (effectively thinking that now it is in 4WD(-H). The vehicle would essentially remain in 2WD(-H), with the addition of the front propeller shaft now being connected to the transfer box, but it (and the front differential) would turn "in vain" without any effect, except a minor increase in mechanical wear and fuel consumption.
Now, the next step would be to simply press the 4WD-L button, and the 4WD controller would shift from H to L range just like it normally does. As far as I know, the 4WD controller checks nothing with the vacuum system when shifting between 4WD-H and 4WD-L and vice versa.
Disengaging back to ordinary 2WD mode should be just the opposite procedure.
I am looking forward to read a further elaboration on this general idea by someone else, as I am not entirely confident on it.
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08 Feb 2017 11:34 #177857
by wilku
Replied by wilku on topic 2-lo switch video guide.
I am not confident about it either, but I was thinking maybe it is not necessary to bypass the vacuum system - I think that a separate valve (or two) on the way between VSV and hubs would do the trick: You'd close the valves not to let vacuum change the state of the hubs, while keeping the vacuum system tight and it should fool the controller, as there are no hub vacuum sensors or such.
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