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[Solved] Check Engine light flashing, engine stalling.

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11 Jan 2017 18:01 - 05 Mar 2017 20:25 #176590 by LittleJimmy
The problem has been sorted out, but I leave the topic here for further reference. Solution to the problem at the bottom of this box↓

The problem started when driving downhill at ±85km/h. I slightly let go of the gas pedal to reduce the speed when the CEL flashed for 1/10 second. It appeared that the engine stalled while the light was lit, as the car gave a substantial whack. Four days passed without it repeating, but when driving to work on the fifth (25 kilometers) it happened again four times; 10 times in total that day. Next day it was 32 times to work. Lost count driving home, but at least as many. Seventh day I counted 97 to work.
Pushed it to the limit the eighth day and when passing ±6000 rpm I heard a strange ticking noice, like a crackling relay. Since that it's been flashing and stalling like there is no tomorrow.

The problem now occurs most often when the gas pedal is held in the same position for over 1 second regardless of position. Sometimes it goes in an even rythm, like once every second or so, sometimes irregular with long and short flashes, or completely lit. It seems to continue as long at the gas pedal is not moved.

The (1)CEL can flash, the (2)engine can stall(car jerks/whacks) every time and for as long as the light is lit. The light will also (3)stay lit for longer periods, sometimes accompanied with the (4)engine seemingly loosing a little power, but otherwise running like normal. If I give a little more gas when it flashes and jerks repeatedly it will switch to 3 and 4 symptom. If the rpm increases considerably when 3 symptom is present (running downhill with gas pedal held stationary) it starts running unevenly.

It never happens when idling, and does not occur if I ''bounce'' the gas pedal ever so slightly while driving. The engine has never stopped completely.

Parts tried from a known good engine:
Cam angle sensor.
MAP-sensor.
Both coils.

I have also tried disctonecting the EGR and adding an extra ground cable between the engine and body with no result.

Does anyone have any idea? Do the car store fault codes or will they only show up when CEL is lit (my neighbour has bought but not yet received a diagnosis system)?

It's a 1999 model with G13BB engine.

Solution: My engine has a little, red air filter (picture in comment further down) screwed into the intake manifold, far rear end towards the fuel rail and EGR. The MAP sensor is connected to this with a hose. I changed the filter and the car has been acting like normal for +150km (and counting) now. Hitting it with compressed air made it spew beige oil. All the oil could possibly have obstructed the air flow leading to faulty MAP detecting.
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11 Jan 2017 19:54 #176606 by mickt
Sounds like a crankshaft sensor on the way out maybe!

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11 Jan 2017 20:19 #176613 by LittleJimmy
Replied by LittleJimmy on topic Check Engine light flashing, engine stalling.
Forgot to add that it's a 1999 G13BB.
There is no crankshaft sensor on the G13BB(?).

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21 Jan 2017 18:22 #177117 by LittleJimmy
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I discovered the (paper clip-) diagnosing procedure (Service manual 8G-12) and got code 21, ''ECM / Immobilizer Control Module code''.
Any experiences here?

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22 Jan 2017 09:28 #177140 by wilku
There is at least one sensor: crankshaft or camshaft.
Although the immobiliser code seems to be a surprise - I'd try locating the immobiliser, disconnecting it and bridging its connector, but I'd need to check wiring diagram for that. I worked around an immobiliser problem this way in a Toyota Yaris a few years ago.
Then, if this solves the problem it's up to you: get rid of it forever or replace it (and recode the keys).

But again - that is one wild guess

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22 Jan 2017 09:59 #177142 by LittleJimmy
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I'm suspecting the ECM, specifically throttle or ignition related. I don't understand how the immobiliser can be related to gas pedal position, movement and lack thereof.

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27 Jan 2017 15:14 #177359 by wilku
I've read through the Service Manual - ECM / IMMO communication is quite complicated and there's no quick "bridge-the-wires" solution. And replacing an ECM or the IMMO requires another procedure to enable their communication back.

You are correct - the errors don't seem to be related to the throttle position... unless...
there is something wrong with the wiring and when the throttle is pressed / depressed something interferes with ECM-IMMO data exchange, which then does in fact lead to injector and ignition to be turned off.

In other words: the reason may not be the ECM/IMMO, but something else interfering with them and then they in turn stop the fuel injection and ignition.

A totally stupid idea, but maybe worth a shot: check all the cables under the dashboard and over the throttle pedal - maybe something got tangled and gets disconnected?

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02 Mar 2017 19:19 - 05 Mar 2017 20:22 #178749 by LittleJimmy
Replied by LittleJimmy on topic Check Engine light flashing, engine stalling.
I checked all vacuum lines today, and also changed the little red filter in the picture. It was screwed into the rear of the manifold and had a hose connected to it leading to the MAP-sensor. There were not detected fault codes during a subsequent 30km test drive.
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02 Mar 2017 20:25 - 02 Mar 2017 20:25 #178758 by Rhinoman
I would check the battery connections, the immo code will be bogus, it only communicates at key on and if the main ECU power and the memory back-up don't come up in the right sequence you will see and error code.

Some Suzukis and a bunch of motorcycles.
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04 Mar 2017 07:21 - 04 Mar 2017 07:22 #178799 by LittleJimmy
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Rhinoman, read comment above. ↑
Last edit: 04 Mar 2017 07:22 by LittleJimmy.

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14 Dec 2019 18:23 #216463 by Tony8669
Good day i am having similar issue with my jimny its gone to get worst over the few days,over 4000rpm vans runs hard under its sluggesh.On 5th gear on the highway or even 4th when i acclerate the engine lights comes on and stays on if i drive a 2 mile or more van fuel system shuts down completey ,i have to reset to brain for it to restart it takes about 5min or more before it resets its becoming a nusence and i am on the verge of selling the can but after reading this i wana change the filter to see if it works but in my country parts is very hard to get for these jimny whats the correct name of this filter ??

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15 Dec 2019 11:01 #216480 by mickt
Good fix LittleJimny one for me to check although it is a M13AA

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