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Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15

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26 Apr 2014 08:07 - 26 Apr 2014 08:24 #113358 by Bosanek
Hello!

I am researching about maximum tyre size for an unlifted Jimny. I found several topics about tyre sizes on this forum, but most of them are about mud tyres or remould tyres, which are significantly bigger than regular tyres due to very thick threads.

As far as I know, the factory tyre size on all Jimny and SJ models is 205/70/15.

I would like to have some "AT" tyres. I drive about 70% on road, and about 30% off road , what consists mostly of (very) bad gravel roads.

I am considering to buy either Goodyear Wrangler AT/SA, General Grabber AT, General Grabber TR or Continental CrossContact AT tyres.

The only reason to get taller tyres would be to "cheaply" gain higher ground clearance.

However, taller tyres can rub on the wheel arches. If I am correct, taller tyres also introduce additional strain on the mechanics (gearbox, transfer case, wheel linkage elements), don't they?

A was considering sizes 195/80/15 or 215/80/15.

Compared with the factory size of 205/70/15, the size of 195/80/15 gives 12 mm of additional ground clearance, but increases wheel circumference by 3.75% (important for gearing load).

On the other hand, compared to 205/70/15, the size of 215/80/15 increases ground clearance by 28 mm, but increases wheel circumference by 8.5%.

The size of 215/80/15 would be significantly better than 195/80/15, if looking only at the ground clearance gain. However, would 215/80/15 rub on the wheel arches, and would it hurt the gearing, drivetrain and wheel linkage elements?

Also, would 215/80/15 significantly hurt the fuel consumption? It is 20 mm wider than 195, and wider tyres mean higher fuel consumption (as far as I know).

P. S. :
Radius of a 205/70/15 tyre is 668 mm, 195/80/15 is 693 mm, and 215/80/15 is 725 mm. This is important for the wheel arch fitness.

Also, is the wheel arch/bumper fitness criteria dependent of the year when the car was made?
Last edit: 26 Apr 2014 08:24 by Bosanek. Reason: additional info

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26 Apr 2014 08:26 #113359 by ne-crock
Replied by ne-crock on topic Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15
as far as i'm aware 215/80r15 wont fit a standard arch without cutting it,

the sizes you should be looking at are 215/75r15 and 195/80r15

both will reduce mpg slightly but the all terrains your looking at are very light all terrains so shouldnt effect it much,

also in terms of strain there will be no noticable difference on componants when talking about such a small increase, it tends to be larget tyres, 235/75r15 or 30"+ that effect the gearing greatly and then your looking into transfer box modifocations,

but for the sizes listed you should be fine

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26 Apr 2014 08:28 #113360 by jonesyba420
Replied by jonesyba420 on topic Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15
Do you mean 215 75 15, not heard of people fitting 215 80s?

Do you really need the extra ground clearance as you only drive on gravel tracks?

You should be able to fit 215 75 15s with no problems regarding rubbing or gearing, anything bigger and you start to have issues with gearing.

I run 195 80 15 mt's with no problems and get on average 100miles to £20.

Bigger tyres/wheels are the only way to gain ground clearance other than a axle swap.

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26 Apr 2014 17:03 #113391 by steffan
Replied by steffan on topic Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15
I am running 215/80 and you will have to do some trimming and probably lift as mine rubbed like mad before trimming and that's with a 3inch lift and body lift fitted

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03 May 2014 13:43 - 03 May 2014 13:47 #114017 by Bosanek
Thank you all very much for your replies and information.

Those gravel roads which I drive on are usually much eroded by heavy tree-hauling trucks and tractors (they "pound" the surface along their wheel tracks), as well as by water streams. Sometimes the surface is so uneven that I would really benefit a differential locker.

I rarely touch the ground with the belly of the car, but I usually have to sweat a lot in order to avoid doing so!



I am aware of the existence of size 215/75/15, but my reasoning was: if I am going for a width of 215 mm, I might as well get the tallest tyre for that width, and that is the size of 215/80/15.

Size 215/75/15 provides 18 mm more ground clearance than the stock 205/70/15 size. However, it increases the tyre diameter by 5,30%.
Therefore, in those two terms, size 215/75/15 comes just short of half-way between 195/80/15 (12 mm extra ground clearance) and 215/80/15 (28 mm extra ground clearance).

Compared to 215/75/15, size 195/80/15 has an advantage of being 20 mm narrower (better for fuel consumption and for snow). But 215/80/15 gives 10 mm more ground clearance. Now the question is, do those 10 mm extra pay off the hassle.


If I got all of your suggestions correct, size of 215/75/15 should not rub at all (even in off-road conditions), correect? And it should not wear down the gearing, drivetrain and wheel linkage elements?

On the other hand, the size of 215/80/15 definitely requires arch trimming. But would 215/80/15 fit if I just trim the arches - would it also require a body lift (not a suspension lift - too expensive!)? And would 215/80/15 hurt the gearing much?


If arch trimming is not enough, and lift IS required, plus if it would hurt the gearing, than those extra 10 mm compared to 215/75/15 are not worth it.

The other special issue is that most of the tyre models that I am interested in are NOT available in 215/75/75, but ARE available in 215/80/15 ...
Last edit: 03 May 2014 13:47 by Bosanek.

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03 May 2014 15:33 #114025 by ne-crock
Replied by ne-crock on topic Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15
i wouldnt personally want to run 215/80r15 without a gearing change such a sj 410box instead of the jimny box, will strain the engine to much and the use of low box for descents would be rubbish, and in all fairness it may need a body lift and and trimming to fit, i cant confirm that as i jumped from 215/75/15 to a 4" lift and 30" tyres

in terms of the width i high doubt you'll be able to notice the difference on mpg between 215 and 195 most of the mpg loss will be in the boxiness of the jimny and the underpowered engine for the car,

what age is your jimny as i know the facelift bumper (2005+) may have rubbing on the 215,

i also caught on the fullest of flex (2000 reg) but i think my springs had sagged over the 12 years of usage, but it was only a very minimal amount

if your really bothered about gaining hight, you'll need a lift and most likely gearing changes to claim the extra few mm, but really its pointless

i could get nearly everywhere i can now when green laning on 215's as i can on my 30"'s it really makes the difference on a p&p site or the most extereme of lanes, but by the sounds of it if the lanes passable now it doesnt need the extents your thinking?

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03 May 2014 23:12 #114071 by kirkynut
I run extreme MT tyres in the form of Malatesta Kaimans in 215/80/15's which do come up big because they are extreme pattern tyres and re moulds. However, I have a 3" lift, no wheel arch liners, a winch bumper and extended rear bump stops along with folded front wheel arches. That lot stops the tyre rubbing. Just!

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10 Mar 2018 01:21 #190204 by Young Pretender
Replied by Young Pretender on topic Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15

kirkynut wrote: I run extreme MT tyres in the form of Malatesta Kaimans in 215/80/15's which do come up big because they are extreme pattern tyres and re moulds. However, I have a 3" lift, no wheel arch liners, a winch bumper and extended rear bump stops along with folded front wheel arches. That lot stops the tyre rubbing. Just!

Kirkynut


Hi Kirkynut

Sorry bit of a thread revival here. When running 215/80/15 MTs have they given rise to a need to change the gearing or CVs?

Trying to research if I can run these tyres with just lift/cutting and to what extent I would be compromising performance by not changing the gearing specifically. I can live with some compromises but don’t want to render the car useless off road of course

Cheers

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10 Mar 2018 06:38 #190213 by 1066Boy
Replied by 1066Boy on topic Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15
Hi Mark

I am running 215/75/15 Grabber X3's on standard gearing and its fine. On long hills you have to change down a little earlier but apart from that its fine. They will fit on a standard Jim but mine is on a 2" lift. Actual size will depend on the tire. tread pattern, remould/or new etc. I think mine are around 28"

Allan.

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10 Mar 2018 08:47 - 10 Mar 2018 08:50 #190220 by Mraz
Replied by Mraz on topic Tyre size 195/80/15 or 215/80/15
I'd just go with 195/80s and that's what I will do after I destroy ones I have (215/75s).

Food for thought - 215/75 Kumho MTs on modular rims are 10kg heavier than 215/75 Bridgestone Dueler AT's on original rims (and they are 2-3kg heavier than original 205/70). So there is 50+ kg of rotating mass (arround 30% more weight than original) wich stores whole lot more energy, making acceleration poor and braking poor. Air resistance, rolling friction, internal friction, rotating mass etc.

Point being, for a vehicle as underpowered as Jimny, every kilogram counts ecpecially when it is rotating mass. Few milimeters on height gain is not worth it.

Friend and I measured height of my Jimny on 215/75's and his Patrol on 33's and you know what? Diff height is almost the same. And Jimny has narrower track, shorter wheelbase, better aproach, depart and breakover angles and is much much lighter. I'm NOT saying Jimny is better "off roader" but.. on the same snow covered uphill section he gets stuck I can start, stop, reverse and start again with no problems.
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