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Re:Jìmny ĺift 50 mm and changes need your expertise
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06 Apr 2021 23:11 #234280
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Martin and all the gurus.
I have the desol 50mm lift. Còntain springs and aftetmarket longer shocks.
Vehicĺe is right hand drive.
Some of the things that happened due to lift.
1) the front wheeĺs mòved to right (+- 5mm) due tò ĺift as the bar between diff and body cannot be ajusted. It is a fixed length. The moment you lift, the triangle force wheels off centre
2) the steering wheel is off centre. The moment the people adjust steering arm as per martins video, the steering is perfect straight, but the vehicle then pull very much to the right. (Been at 3 alignment centres-all gave simmilar results.) All alignment settings are within specs. That is why it is weird that vehicle pull right.
When they reverse the setting so that steering is slightly off centre again then the car runs straight. No pull left or right. Drives fantastic albit the steering wheel is off centre. Still perfect wheel alignment settings.
My understanding
It is my understanding from Martins video that you can adjust that steering arm to get steering wheel straight and it will not effect anything.
My issue that I tried to fix
So my issue is i want to get my steering wheel stràight - and the car stil need to run straight as per properly aligned wheel.
Shop / dealer comments.
Comments from wheel alignment place as well as suzuki local branch.
Suzuki said I must add adjutable bar first to pull back the wheels to the left a little so that it is perfect in normal position (as without a lift). Only then, should you be able to adjust steering bar to correct steering to be centered and then jimny will run straight.
Question
1) Please share your technical brains here to let me know if this is true possibility.
2) if I have to get front bar that is adjustable, so I can get front wheels centred again, move slightly left, where will i be able to get such an adjustable bar. Any ideas who might be able to build it for me.
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I have the desol 50mm lift. Còntain springs and aftetmarket longer shocks.
Vehicĺe is right hand drive.
Some of the things that happened due to lift.
1) the front wheeĺs mòved to right (+- 5mm) due tò ĺift as the bar between diff and body cannot be ajusted. It is a fixed length. The moment you lift, the triangle force wheels off centre
2) the steering wheel is off centre. The moment the people adjust steering arm as per martins video, the steering is perfect straight, but the vehicle then pull very much to the right. (Been at 3 alignment centres-all gave simmilar results.) All alignment settings are within specs. That is why it is weird that vehicle pull right.
When they reverse the setting so that steering is slightly off centre again then the car runs straight. No pull left or right. Drives fantastic albit the steering wheel is off centre. Still perfect wheel alignment settings.
My understanding
It is my understanding from Martins video that you can adjust that steering arm to get steering wheel straight and it will not effect anything.
My issue that I tried to fix
So my issue is i want to get my steering wheel stràight - and the car stil need to run straight as per properly aligned wheel.
Shop / dealer comments.
Comments from wheel alignment place as well as suzuki local branch.
Suzuki said I must add adjutable bar first to pull back the wheels to the left a little so that it is perfect in normal position (as without a lift). Only then, should you be able to adjust steering bar to correct steering to be centered and then jimny will run straight.
Question
1) Please share your technical brains here to let me know if this is true possibility.
2) if I have to get front bar that is adjustable, so I can get front wheels centred again, move slightly left, where will i be able to get such an adjustable bar. Any ideas who might be able to build it for me.
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07 Apr 2021 01:55 #234281
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Replied by fordem on topic Jìmny ĺift 50 mm and changes need your expertise
A good place to start might be to tell us which model Jimny you have...
If your problem is the steering wheel not being centered, a quick & easy fix is to remove the wheel from it's splines and reposition it.
If your problem is the steering wheel not being centered, a quick & easy fix is to remove the wheel from it's splines and reposition it.
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07 Apr 2021 03:31 #234282
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One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
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Replied by Lambert on topic Jìmny ĺift 50 mm and changes need your expertise
Adjustable panhard bars shouldn't make any difference to the steering being able to be set correctly. Also adjusting the drag link to centre the steering wheel again shouldn't affect how the car drives. When you have had the car at the various alignment places have you been able to watch them make the adjustments? It's just that in my experience setting live axle geometry is evidently beyond most places and main dealers are only interested in standard specification vehicles and will often require unnecessary parts to rectify or request modifications be undone.
Temeraire (2018 quasar grey automatic)
One of the last 200ish of the gen3s, probably.
ADOS Attention Deficit Ooooh Shiny!
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07 Apr 2021 12:05 #234289
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Have asked dealer to do it, but they dont want to. They keep saying rather fix the problem and not the symptoms.
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Gen4fordem wrote: A good place to start might be to tell us which model Jimny you have...
If your problem is the steering wheel not being centered, a quick & easy fix is to remove the wheel from it's splines and reposition it.
Have asked dealer to do it, but they dont want to. They keep saying rather fix the problem and not the symptoms.
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07 Apr 2021 12:13 #234291
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They just cant get it fixed.
There is one more place in Cape Town that 4x4 people rated very high (4x4 speciality workshop) that I will take the jimny to but that might only happen next week.
I will update later.
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Replied by lookonimages on topic Re:Jìmny ĺift 50 mm and changes need your expertise
Lambert yes i have been able to watch. They made changes and set the steering adjustment like in Martins video. They test drive it and then let me drive it to confirm what they experience. Actually very nice of them to allow me in the allignment pit where they explain it properly and involve me very much.Lambert wrote: Adjustable panhard bars shouldn't make any difference to the steering being able to be set correctly. Also adjusting the drag link to centre the steering wheel again shouldn't affect how the car drives. When you have had the car at the various alignment places have you been able to watch them make the adjustments? It's just that in my experience setting live axle geometry is evidently beyond most places and main dealers are only interested in standard specification vehicles and will often require unnecessary parts to rectify or request modifications be undone.
They just cant get it fixed.
There is one more place in Cape Town that 4x4 people rated very high (4x4 speciality workshop) that I will take the jimny to but that might only happen next week.
I will update later.
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07 Apr 2021 17:18 #234300
by mlines
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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
Replied by mlines on topic Re:Jìmny ĺift 50 mm and changes need your expertise
I think most people have covered it.
1. The steering drag link, if done properly, only really adjusts the steering wheel position on the basis of "the path of least resistance"
2. The panhard rod, which is fixed as standard, will pull the axle over a few mm with a spring lift. For 50mm or less the effect is small, over 50mm you may want to consider an adjustable panhard rod.
3. Is it really a 50mm lift? Lift kits vary in the actual lift, I know of at least one 50mm lift that was close to 75mm. At this height there is more of an interaction between steering drag links and the panhard rod etc. can get more noticeable. In this case you do need to get the axle back in line and then do a full alignment. There is no need to remove and rotate the steering wheel.
1. The steering drag link, if done properly, only really adjusts the steering wheel position on the basis of "the path of least resistance"
2. The panhard rod, which is fixed as standard, will pull the axle over a few mm with a spring lift. For 50mm or less the effect is small, over 50mm you may want to consider an adjustable panhard rod.
3. Is it really a 50mm lift? Lift kits vary in the actual lift, I know of at least one 50mm lift that was close to 75mm. At this height there is more of an interaction between steering drag links and the panhard rod etc. can get more noticeable. In this case you do need to get the axle back in line and then do a full alignment. There is no need to remove and rotate the steering wheel.
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2003 M13 early KAP build.
3" Trailmaster lift with 1.5 Spacers on front
Customised winch bumper and roll cage
235/85R16 Maxxis Bighorns on 16" Rims, 4:1 Rocklobster, Rear ARB locker and on-board air
Corrected arms all-round, rear disks, Recaro seats and harnesses
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09 Apr 2021 14:02 #234343
by fordem
Replied by fordem on topic Re:Jìmny ĺift 50 mm and changes need your expertise
This is something I have been curious about, but, as I have not lifted my fourth gen, I cannot make a statement on.
The fourth gens are equipped with a steering damper - is this damper a "return-to-center" damper? Does it need to have it's position reset if the track rod is adjusted to re-center the steering?
The fourth gens are equipped with a steering damper - is this damper a "return-to-center" damper? Does it need to have it's position reset if the track rod is adjusted to re-center the steering?
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