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Strange FWD Problem
14 Sep 2020 09:47 #228182
by RainerK
Replied by RainerK on topic Re:Strange FWD Problem
If it does not engage with the hoses disconnected, I would second Lambert‘s assessment.
Maybe the first test would be to electrically disconnect the vacuum solenoid. If then the hub still engages then I would think the solenoid is defective and under certain mechanical circumstances is not tight or constantly slightly leaking, or ... . If it doesn‘t engage then the defect might still be in the solenoid or in the connections, ... .
So far there is no explanation why if you switch the 4WD on the other hub engages first but I would ignore this for the moment.
Maybe the first test would be to electrically disconnect the vacuum solenoid. If then the hub still engages then I would think the solenoid is defective and under certain mechanical circumstances is not tight or constantly slightly leaking, or ... . If it doesn‘t engage then the defect might still be in the solenoid or in the connections, ... .
So far there is no explanation why if you switch the 4WD on the other hub engages first but I would ignore this for the moment.
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14 Sep 2020 18:04 #228193
by blake
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Might be getting somewhere with this now, let's go with the leaky solenoid valve for a moment and I suppose in order to eliminate it from the chase would be to replace then test, however just a couple of questions before I do just that, one is if leaking why would it not activate the right first being the shortest route, second is has this never happened before, are they that reliable that it chucks up this apparently never heard of problem before?
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15 Sep 2020 05:52 #228199
by RainerK
Replied by RainerK on topic Re:Strange FWD Problem
As written before, I would just disconnect the solenoid and test as a next step and as also written before I would propose to ignore the sequence of hubs switching. You can of course think of reasons why this might be so and ways to test them.
From what I experienced, heard, and read the behavior you describe is not very common, actually I never heard of this.
On the other hand, this could well happen from time to time but one hub or both engaging is nothing a usual driver might notice because the only thing happening is that the diff and the propshaft turn.
And drivers with the experience who maybe would notice it, have maybe manual hubs, newer cars, or just do Lambert`s proposal without ever finding out if the solenoid is the reason, a bad connection, both or something else.
From what I experienced, heard, and read the behavior you describe is not very common, actually I never heard of this.
On the other hand, this could well happen from time to time but one hub or both engaging is nothing a usual driver might notice because the only thing happening is that the diff and the propshaft turn.
And drivers with the experience who maybe would notice it, have maybe manual hubs, newer cars, or just do Lambert`s proposal without ever finding out if the solenoid is the reason, a bad connection, both or something else.
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02 Oct 2020 22:19 #228709
by blake
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An update on this nightmare, pulled electrical plugs from vacuum solinoids and as expected no movement on hubs when driving which confirms no vacuum leaks
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03 Oct 2020 04:49 #228711
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Replied by Lambert on topic Strange FWD Problem
it was at that point where I lost patience with trying to fix my hubs on Dreadnaught and went for manual. The cost of the solenoid vs the avm hubs was about equal and the avm is more versatile and more robust.
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03 Oct 2020 09:09 #228713
by Roger Fairclough
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Does anyone make a solid flange conversion for the Jimny? By fitting them you would have have the ability to engage 4wd on the move without any of the faffing about.
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03 Oct 2020 09:19 #228714
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Yes and no. Suzuki had drive flanges on the sj that fit but you either need a spacer to clear the running face of the vacuum seal on the jimny hub nut or you cut same off or I think its the earlier vitara that has the hub nut without the flange.
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03 Oct 2020 09:20 #228715
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Oh and drive flanges don't allow for low 2wd like manual hubs do.
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03 Oct 2020 10:36 #228717
by Roger Fairclough
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Lambert.
For normal road use you would be in 2wd high range. If you want to shift into 4wd for situations that suddenly develop and you have solid flanges, then you can do so without having to stop and switch on manual hubs. As the Jimny transfer case is purely mechanical you could drive in low range or high range 4wd but you would encounter axle wind up to a degree. The extent would depend on surface conditions, tyre wear etc, but as this is for probably unavoidable situations, then for short distances it is a practical idea. Although it would not be an ideal situation, the knowledge that you have an infallible mechanical link between drive shaft and hub that can be engaged without getting out of the car is maybe worth it.
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For normal road use you would be in 2wd high range. If you want to shift into 4wd for situations that suddenly develop and you have solid flanges, then you can do so without having to stop and switch on manual hubs. As the Jimny transfer case is purely mechanical you could drive in low range or high range 4wd but you would encounter axle wind up to a degree. The extent would depend on surface conditions, tyre wear etc, but as this is for probably unavoidable situations, then for short distances it is a practical idea. Although it would not be an ideal situation, the knowledge that you have an infallible mechanical link between drive shaft and hub that can be engaged without getting out of the car is maybe worth it.
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03 Oct 2020 12:20 #228721
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Yes you have to get out of the car to get 4x4 but being an intelligent creature it is possible to relatively easily predict when that might be. For example if I plan on a day on the lanes then I engage the hubs when I get the beginning of the first one and leave them in until I'm on my way home. Alternatively if we get a forecast of snow then I will engage the hubs and leave them in until they predict it clearing. But in the mean time with the hubs disengaged I have 4x2 low on demand which coupled with sensible tyres means that in most dry conditions a Jimny doesn't really suffer from a lack of traction especially on rocky lanes, so all that is actually needed is low range for control but that's a judgement call based on the experience, skill and competence of the driver and their familiarity with their Jimny, I can get Dreadnaught on road tyres to places a novice would struggle with on mud tyres.
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03 Oct 2020 13:05 #228724
by Roger Fairclough
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I am not going to argue the case with you Lambert, especially if you resort to sarcasm, I have put forward a scenario for members to contemplate and make use of if they feel it would help. if you don't like it, then you can leave it.
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03 Oct 2020 13:44 #228726
by blake
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Customer is now convinced that there is something wrong with his transfer box to the extent he has purchased a S/H unit, god only knows why he thinks that is the problem as is does everything you ask it do when you require it to do so, after our last test with the plugs off the solenoid must be getting power on a random basis to activate them
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