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19 Jul 2020 20:00 #225338 by kirkynut
Today I drove a standard 2003 Jimny. Something I've not done in years as mine has been lifted since I bought it over a decade ago and has since gained a rocklobster transfer box, external cage, metal bumpers and a winch.

My suspension consists of BigJimny Store 3" springs, Rough Country shocks and Off Road Armoury later spec castor correction arms.

The standard Jimny I drove today has 86k miles on it but none of the shocks leak and they all visually look ok.

I have to say that I prefer the ride quality of my lifted Jimny with no anti-roll bar.

My shocks and springs soak up bumps much better than the standard set up, possibly helped by the extra volume of air in the bigger tyres (237/75/15).

I was also underwhelmed by the acceleration. I thought it would be much more sprightly than my heavy caged and winch laden Jimjam but actually, it was only slightly brisker.

I have a slight whine from my old rocklobster with welded gears rather than new, but it's really not that much noisier in real terms. The high revving engine that needs to be worked creates quite a bit of noise in the standard car, more than I remember from when I owned one.

It's funny what you forget over the years when you have romantic idealisations over a model of car. I genuinely remembered standard Jimny's being a bit quicker and a bit more refined than they actually are. I thought I'd lost so much refinement from mine but I haven't, it jusr never existed.

I still love Jimnys though. I just accept them for what they are.

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19 Jul 2020 20:53 #225348 by Lambert
One of these days you will have to have a go in my little Dreadnaught. If you are lucky I might even get the track springs under her and you can experience the joy of zero body roll (and a compacted spine injury).

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19 Jul 2020 21:04 #225351 by kirkynut

Lambert wrote: One of these days you will have to have a go in my little Dreadnaught. If you are lucky I might even get the track springs under her and you can experience the joy of zero body roll (and a compacted spine injury).


Now Dreadnaught might be slightly sprightlier as it has VVT!

I think I secretly hanker after a 1.6!

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19 Jul 2020 21:10 #225354 by Lambert
She is no drag racer not by any means but when we find a twist or 20 then we have fun with science aka conservation of momentum aka keep your foot in it you'll be fine!

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21 Jul 2020 08:40 #225414 by kirkynut

Lambert wrote: She is no drag racer not by any means but when we find a twist or 20 then we have fun with science aka conservation of momentum aka keep your foot in it you'll be fine!


Oh yes Lambert! I have a great deal of experience in driving slow cars fast!

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21 Jul 2020 10:21 #225425 by Busta
From my experience having driven a handful of standard Jimnys the way they drive varies a lot even without taking modifications into account. Fresh shocks, good tyres and the correct tyre pressures can make night and day difference to a standard car. Even the condition of the seats makes a big difference! And I'm sure there is even greater range once you start considering modifications. Sounds like yours is done well though. For example, not many people bother to change the gearing but clearly that is a big factor in performance once you play with tyre sizes. I changed my diffs to compensate for 215/75r15 tyres and it's made a positive difference.
I do agree that they drive smoother without the anti roll bar, albeit with a bit more body roll.

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21 Jul 2020 14:39 #225431 by Scimike
Have to agree with Busta, its impossible to compare the ride quality of two Jimnys unless they are fresh from the sale room. Even then you need to find a way to determine what constitutes an improvement, i.e average out the "human factor", whats good for one will be bad for another.
My 2009 (50K) Jimny had what looked like perfect dampers until I fitted new to improve the towing experience, one of the "perfect" rears was totally shot, no damping at all, but look perfect. You just cant tell and its why most new shocks etc are an improvement over the old ones, they are just simply worn compared to new!
I have read (online it must be true!!)that they recommend you should change dampers at 5 years, but who does that?

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22 Jul 2020 09:06 #225451 by Roger Fairclough
How can you recommend changing dampers at 5 years without introducing mileage covered! Then you would need to factor in the type of roads driven on as pure motorway driving on a decent surface (relatively speaking) to rough country roads has a marked effect on wear. At the moment damper condition is covered by the MoT and that's as it should be as the majority of people would not be able to point to a damper if you asked them to.

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22 Jul 2020 12:27 #225459 by Busta

Roger Fairclough wrote: How can you recommend changing dampers at 5 years without introducing mileage covered! Then you would need to factor in the type of roads driven on as pure motorway driving on a decent surface (relatively speaking) to rough country roads has a marked effect on wear. At the moment damper condition is covered by the MoT and that's as it should be as the majority of people would not be able to point to a damper if you asked them to.

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Isn't that true of any recommended service interval? It's a guide, and the point is that dampers degrade a lot quicker than most people realise.

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22 Jul 2020 16:15 - 22 Jul 2020 16:26 #225461 by Scimike

Roger Fairclough wrote: How can you recommend changing dampers at 5 years without introducing mileage covered! Then you would need to factor in the type of roads driven on as pure motorway driving on a decent surface (relatively speaking) to rough country roads has a marked effect on wear. At the moment damper condition is covered by the MoT and that's as it should be as the majority of people would not be able to point to a damper if you asked them to.Roger

Hi Roger,It not my recommendation, its simply an article I have seen online that suggests this interval.
Its a bit like car tyres, some people (again not me) are saying they should be changed at X years as the rubber goes off etc. Fact, Fiction or just driving sales, I don't know!
I can confirm you can't detect all failed dampers on an MOT test. My Jimny was passing each year with a damper that offer no damping at all, the only way you could tell it had failed was when I removed it from the vehicle to fit better quality dampers. Here is a picture of the naughty damper, its the one on the left which should be the same extended length as the others!.
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22 Jul 2020 22:48 #225481 by Roger Fairclough
Sorry Scimike, should have said "they" instead of "you".

This subject annoys me as a lot of manufacturers are changing service intervals to include an arbitrary time limit on service items such as cambelts.
My wife has an Audi Q3 Quattro with the 2 litre engine and 20,000 miles after 5 years but now we are told that the cam belt needs changing and whilst we are at it we should have the water pump replaced for good measure and it will only cost about £750!

Of course there was no mention of any of this in the service schedule we received when we bought the car. It's a fabulous car but the service dept. at the dealership are unscrupulous.

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22 Jul 2020 23:12 #225483 by Scimike
Ouch, that would annoy me.
You are correct though, this sort of thing is starting to creep into modern motoring, I suspect to drive parts sales.
Happy to say that all my vehicles are out of warranty and out of the money grabbing service departments.
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