Interesting Kap build - no pics and private plate

bluejimny wrote: hmmm them photo's of the broken radius arms dont fill me with any confidance as they look like the ones ive got on mine,

but they arnt KAP ones, also them shocks there arnt PRO COMP shocks as thats what KAP use with there kits

kirkynut wrote: It's a tricky old thing deciding what's best for your Jimny at the moment. There are so many people out there with so many different experiences and opinions.

KAP's specility has to be bodywork and no-one can deny that they are excellent at it. How about getting a KAP truck cab but nothing behind it and get someone else to do a cage and make it a tray back? Could be done much cheaper than the project they are selling there. I would not want a late VVC engine in a truck like that - I would want a twin cam non VVC engine with the old style transfer box with a lever to make the fitting of a Redacted Rocklobster easier! You don't want ABS on an off-roader either!

I don't think KAP should be knocked for their cages touching the body in a roll over - but I don't know the circumstances of what is being suggested as I did not attend Tong and clearly it can not be discussed in open forum through fear of litigation.

Any cage that has no X brace can pivot on the feet mounted on rock sliders or whatever. The welds themselves are all that stop this. Cages that have gaping distances between them and the body don't look right and make the vehicle too big.

My cage, fabricated by a mate who is a skilled fabricator has lugs which attach to the original roof bar mounting studs - this may stop the cage and body from having contact. I don't intend to find out but it's creator made it clear to me it is a tree rubbing cage not a roll cage as it has no X brace.

So my message is don't expect too much from a cage with no X brace in the centre!

In respect of radius arms, the mud is even thicker! The only arms I've not heard issues with now are those from RhinoRays and D+G Tuning. RhinoRays only really caters for a 2" lift and D+G are expensive.

KAP's current arms have barely been in production a few months, so I don't think any have failed. They are made to suite their new 4" springs.

ORA had an issue with a single set or arms failing. Lets be clear about this. 1 set failed. Rob Butler has since bent over backwards to deal with the issue. He has contacted everyone who bought a set and posted on several forums to make sure he gets them all in. He has then replaced them all at great expense to his company and now offers a lifetime guarentee on his current range.

Comments have since been made about them but really - are any others really going to be any better? When your company has had that expense to save it's reputation from being in tatters, are you going to allow any risk of it happening again - I expect not and therefore expect ORA's current range to far exceed any of our expectations. There are a fair few out there now - any failures experienced that you know of Rob?

So my point is, you should make your own mind up on what bits you buy and from where and apply a large dose of common sense when doing so. Also get bits from different suppliers so you have the best of everything.

A cage from RhinoRay, arms from ORA, if you will, and a winch bumper from . . . well there's another argument to start!!!

Kirkynut

mlines wrote: I have to be careful what is said about products on this website and forum. Clearly by the legal threats I have received it is perceived that it has considerable influence, even if I preface everything with "In my personal opinion".

Needless to say, it would not be inaccurate to say we had an interesting discussion on upper cage rigidity.