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26 Nov 2013 23:13 #93379
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I wasnt planing on lifting it merely fitting longer shocks to give more droop keepimg the wheels on the ground for longer
How much would it limit upwards travel fitting +2" shocks but keeping original springs?
I suppose id be asking to much for someone with a 2"lift to experiment for me
would a set up like im thinking be at all beneficial offroad even if there is a loss of upwards travel?
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27 Nov 2013 00:13 #93384
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If your planning on spending some dough anyway, why not lift it? You won't regret it.
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27 Nov 2013 05:32 #93393
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The other thing that limits this idea is that once you have extended to the limit of the spring any further droop affoded by the longer dampers is of minimal value because there is next to no downwards pressure being applied to the wheel beyond its own weight and a bit of leverage from the rest of the suspension. In other words no traction so loads of wheel spin and loss of motion. Unless you have axle locking but then you don't really need much articulation.
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27 Nov 2013 07:18 #93400
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I think if your planning to put longer shocks on to get more droop then your running the risk of damaging your shock mounts if you get a serious compression.. just put on a 2" lift and be done with it.. you wont be sorry!
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27 Nov 2013 07:41 #93404
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Yellostreak wrote: I think if your planning to put longer shocks on to get more droop then your running the risk of damaging your shock mounts if you get a serious compression.. just put on a 2" lift and be done with it.. you wont be sorry!
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All your suspension components have to work together - to get the best out of it you want everything matched up as best you can. A 2" lift on a Jimny is nothing drastic - it will look fine with your 195/80 KL71s and in my experience you should be ok without castor correction on +2". My blue runaraound Jimny has 2" lift along with 195/80 kl71s (and wheel spacers) and it drives bob on
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27 Nov 2013 08:35 #93406
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Mick C wrote:
Yellostreak wrote: I think if your planning to put longer shocks on to get more droop then your running the risk of damaging your shock mounts if you get a serious compression.. just put on a 2" lift and be done with it.. you wont be sorry!
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All your suspension components have to work together - to get the best out of it you want everything matched up as best you can. A 2" lift on a Jimny is nothing drastic - it will look fine with your 195/80 KL71s and in my experience you should be ok without castor correction on +2". My blue runaraound Jimny has 2" lift along with 195/80 kl71s (and wheel spacers) and it drives bob on
can you post some pics of your blue one so I can see it with lift and tyres,how does it cope with spacers?i know mine in stock form wouldnt handle spacers will rub I recon.
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27 Nov 2013 08:47 #93407
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TomDK wrote: RC N2.0 shocks have the same damping no matter how much they're compressed.
Surely this contradicts what youve said above?
"Incorporating "Velocity Sensitive Valving" technology, these shocks utilize a 10-stage variable valving process that helps facilitate resistance valving incorporated in the shock according to piston rod speed." Taken from the martins shop.
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27 Nov 2013 09:15 #93408
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No. What that means is there is variation in damping depending on the speed at which the load is applied not where on the travel of the damper the load is applied.
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27 Nov 2013 09:29 #93409
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Surely hitting a large rock will cause the shock to move uowards faster than hitting a small stone so does this mean the shock then becomes harder on rough terrain?would it be the same if you threw it into a corner on road over gently turning in as the car will lean faster so the shock becomes harder? Sorry if this all sounds stupid just trying to get my head round it
Are caster correction bushes needed on a 2" lift? I see they come with the ora 2" lift kit.
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27 Nov 2013 10:07 #93411
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Don't know about jimny bushes but land rover tend to be ok without correction on 2inch.
You have it about right with dampers. Essentially they're a tube filled with oil acted upon by a piston through a valve arrangement. Imagine a plastic syringe full of water, if you apply gentle pressure the water comes out as th piston moves, the faster you push the more the water squirter effect. However if you try to move the piston too fast the water can't escape quickly enough and you feel a large resistance to the force you apply. Dampers are the same except the system is closed and instead of squirting the oil away it is being moved from one side of the valve to the other so as to make it double acting. Obviously the technology is way more refined but the principles are the same.
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27 Nov 2013 10:18 #93412
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jonesyba420 wrote:
TomDK wrote: RC N2.0 shocks have the same damping no matter how much they're compressed.
Surely this contradicts what youve said above?
"Incorporating "Velocity Sensitive Valving" technology, these shocks utilize a 10-stage variable valving process that helps facilitate resistance valving incorporated in the shock according to piston rod speed." Taken from the martins shop.
Not at all.
I'm talking about how much the shock is compressed. The text you refers to mentions the speed of the compression. Like when going fast over small bumps and such. With fast, but short travel of the shock.
And don't get me wrong. The RC N2.0 is a great shock for the money. But there's natural limit to how much technology you get in a cheap shock. If you want shocks that work in the way you describe, you'll need to spend much more money.
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27 Nov 2013 10:31 #93414
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jonesyba420 wrote: Are caster correction bushes needed on a 2" lift? I see they come with the ora 2" lift kit.
My blue jimny is fine without mate.
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